Talk:South Crofty

Baseresult
MINERS from South Crofty tin mine in Pool, will be handing out leaflets and posters in Camborne town centre on Thursday 22 June 2006 to explain why their determination to re-start tin extraction at the mine is being thwarted by the clear delaying tactics currently being exercised by Kerrier District Council, the County Council and Camborne Pool Redruth Regeneration Company.

The leaflets and posters will also be delivered to almost 17,000 homes in the Camborne, Pool and Redruth area in a massive mail shot on the same day.

The poster, which residents are being asked to display in their windows, bears the slogan ‘Tin is Regeneration’ above a St Piran’s flag and the photo of a local South Crofty miner. A summary of Baseresult’s aspirations for the mine is on the reverse – together with a brief explanation of why nothing seems to be happening and a call for support for the mine’s development.

The leaflet gives a more detailed synopsis of the mining company’s grievances and again calls on the general public for their support.

Kevin Williams, Managing Director of Baseresult Holdings Ltd, dressed in typical miner’s clothing, will be handing out the leaflets and posters alongside four other South Crofty miners by the fountain in the square just off Trelowarren St, Camborne from 1.30 until 3.30pm.

“Since we bought South Crofty five years ago we have been working very hard to restart tin extraction,” he said. “We want local people to be aware that our progress has continually been delayed by government bodies and that we are feeling just as frustrated as everybody else that nothing appears to be happening. In fact we are working flat out – but a lot of that work has had to be focused on paperwork and surveys rather the real business of mining.

“We feel we have a duty to tell the local population, which will hopefully provide our future workforce, how close we are to success and to explain the reasons behind all the delays. Their support is very important to us.

“Once we begin extracting tin 200 mining jobs will be created and we estimate at least 200 other jobs will be created locally in related support industries.”

To keep people informed, South Crofty’s owners are planning to hold an open day at the mine on Saturday 8 July. Further information is also available on the mine’s website www.southcrofty.co.uk

Location map request
On Requested and orphan maps someone have requested a location map for South Crofty. I brought the request up on the Graphic Lab but there is a need for someone with knowledge of the exact location of South Crofty. So, if you can help, please drop by and supply the information needed.

/ Mats Halldin (talk) 18:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done Kmusser 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Violation?
Most of the text of this page comes from and is probably a copyright violation. Ideally someone with some local knowledge could rewrite it. Kmusser 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Reasoning for 7th February edit by Ahwmay
User "Todge90" posted some changes to the article, which the parts he editted that need changing for factual or grammatical reasons I are bolded below:

Part 1

1a) So far almost £5 million has been expended in capital on the project, and with the pumping shaft complete, dewatering is ready to commence as of January 2007. This will take two years, and it is anticipated the mine could be in partial production by 2009, and full production by 2012. The mine currently employing 25 will employ 200 people directly by 2010 if plans to start production go ahead, and many hundreds more in associated jobs generated by the mine. Local support for the mine is mixed, nearly 2,000 people attending the Open Day on the 8th July 2006 but many local people (including many former employees) think that it is time to draw a line and redevelop the site.

Editting to: 

1b) So far almost £5 million has been expended in capital on the project, and with the pumping shaft complete, dewatering is almost ready to commence as of February 2007. This will take two years, and it is anticipated the mine could be in partial production by 2009, and full production by 2011. The mine currently employing 25 will employ 200 people directly by 2010 if plans to start production go ahead, and many hundreds more in associated jobs generated by the mine. Local support for the mine is mixed, although nearly 2,000 people attended the Open Day in support of the mine on the 8th July 2006. However others, including former miner Mark Kaczmarek, believe that it is time to redevelop the site.

Reasoning:

1c) Only one former employee has publicly supported redevelopment.

Part 2

2a) South Crofty cite the reason for the delays as the repeated demand by Cornwall Country Council for Review of Mineral Planning Permissions (ROMPs), of which the Council requested in 2002, and after three reviews submitted by Baseresult, in 2002, 2004 and 2005, the Council finally granted permission for the mine in September 2006. The council responded that there was no reason why Baseresult could not have continued under the existing permissions which were still extant.

Editting to:

2b) South Crofty cite the reason for the delays as the repeated demand by Cornwall Country Council for Review of Mineral Planning Permissions (ROMPs), of which the Council requested in 2002, and after three reviews submitted by Baseresult, in 2002, 2004 and 2005, the Council finally granted permission for the mine in September 2006. One month later CPR Regeneration announced that they will be applying for a Compulsory Purchase Order, and have published plans for a multi-million pound development of 150 acres including the South Crofty site.

Reasoning:

2c) The council did not make such a statement. Instead, the issue of a CPO by the CPR one month later is more relevant to the discussion.

Part 3

3a) The tin price has almost tripled in the years 2002-2007, and the economic viability of the South Crofty mine, with over 10 years of currently accessible reserves, and up to 80 years of resources in the local area that could be mined from South Crofty given expansion, has improved considerably according to Baseresult.

Editted to:

3b)The tin price has almost tripled in the years 2002-2007, and the economic viability of the South Crofty mine, with over 10 years of currently accessible reserves, and up to 80 years of resources in the local area that could be mined from South Crofty given expansion, has improved considerably.

Reasoning:

3c) Its not a matter of whether Baseresult believe this is the case. Simple mineral economics mean that if the price triples the economic viability of the mine improves.

Part 4

4a) If the cost of reopening the mine estimated by Cornwall Country Councillor Mark Kaczmarek, who believes the mine is unviable, is £30 million, at tin production rates of 2,000 tonnes a year, at the cost of $7,500/tonne, as achieved in the years prior to closure, the mine costs could be recouped within 10 years, according to Baseresult. Others have pointed out that these figures do not add up even with Baseresults somewhat optimistic assumptions.

Editted to:

4b) If the cost of reopening the mine estimated by Cornwall Country Councillor Mark Kaczmarek, who believes the mine is unviable, is £30 million, at tin production rates of 2,000 tonnes a year, at the cost of $7,500/tonne, as achieved in the years prior to closure, and at the current tin price of $11,000, the mine costs will be recouped within 10 years.

Reasoning:

4c) Again, its not according to Baseresult, its simple mathematics. If they're making $3,500/tonne profit, which they would be doing at current prices with the same costs as 1998, then a 2,000 tonne per year production will yield $7 million profit per year. Converted into pounds thats £3.5 million. And that will pay off the £30 million costs for the mine (that were estimated by a ex-miner ex-head of the south crofty union), who believed it unviable, in just under 9 years. So the figures add up favourably - simple economics.

Part 5

The tin price is actually currently $11,975/tonne, which would lead to mine repayment after just 6.7 years. Well under 10 years. The tin price should be kept roughly in date with the article to maintain correctness of the statements made.

Possible copyright violation
As far as I can see, the problematic text forms the bulk of the introduction, but the remainder of the article is not (to me) derived from the text at the linked website. DuncanHill 13:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have therefore created a temporary article without the problematic text located at Talk:South Crofty/Temp. DuncanHill 13:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

B/w Photographs.
While I personally love black and white photos of old industrial sites such as the ones features in this article, I feel colourised photos are probably more preferable for this encyclopaedia. --Τασουλα (Amira) (talk) 21:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problem with b/w photos - indeed, for some phases of the mine's history they will be the only photos available. Colour photos are also nice, but not colourised (i.e., with colour added after the fact). DuncanHill (talk) 22:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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