Talk:South Korea–Taiwan relations

Title
The title name is unbalanced because it should be either  or Taiwan and South Korea. --Appletrees (talk) 12:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You may want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject International relations, they're the experts here. I just put it at this name because the category itself is called Category:Foreign relations of South Korea rather than Foreign relations of the Republic of Korea. If we want to change it, let's get a wider consensus and change everything at once. But the title definitely shouldn't include "Taiwan" --- the general consensus on editors is that "Taiwan" should be used only in the geographic sense, and "Republic of China" when we're talking about governments. cab (talk) 19:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't prefer the first one because it is confusing.(Mainland China also use "Republic") South Korea is generally called just as Taiwan. But you follow naming convention of International relation, please let me introduce to what I should read and where I can find the relevant article. --Appletrees (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is the actual guideline. Ryan4314 (talk) 18:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the guideline they should be adjectives, and the shorter one should come first. Doesn't really help much here, because ROC can't be changed into a neutral adjective. How about  or ? Andrew Yong (talk) 09:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup needed tag.
While I checking article history, I found that cleanup,copyediting, original research tags were removed without any discussion on January 27, 2012 and again on February 3, 2012. Whatever was the reason for the removal, It doesn't look like the issues have been solved.:

--- PBJT (talk) 10:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Divide the article into a couple of subsections by period. (i.e. South Korean independence&Korean War, Cold War, Severing diplomatic ties in 1990s, and afterwards.) The lead section should provide an overview of the relationship.
 * 2) Some sentences are too long and hard to follow. (thus, copy-editing needed) Some sentences in parenthesis should be rewritten without parenthesis or included as a side note in the references part.
 * 3) Spread the citations: out of nine citations, four are related to APEC meetings and two are Kim Yong-sam's visit to Taiwan. Including some of reliable sources from objective third parties (not just Taiwanese or Korean news) will improve overall quality.

ROC-ROK relationship
Hello the following is my response for this article. There are many areas that address ROC-ROK relations including culture, entertainment (K-POP), food, tourism, business and even technology (on the Departmental areas of Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism and Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (South Korea)). What I pointed out in the article is mainly political and relates to economic organization (APEC) and since 1992 there is no formal diplomatic relation between the two governments. So there are so much more to be mentioned on the non-political relations between ROC and ROK. For example, Taiwan was the first destination for Korean Wave (cultural export to be tested for marketing from ROK), there is a significant number of tourist visits mutually between ROC and ROK, Taiwan used to be the place to learn advanced Chinese for Koreans (and Confucianism study), the competitive nature between companies from two sides (traditionally on heavy industry and recently on consumer electronics, home electronics (including LCD) and electronic component), ROK's DJnomics' (the build up of optical fiber to national tech infrastructure) on the phenomenal (on the per capita basis) South Korean information technology service economy (web technology business, programming, software business and technological suite on corporate solutions) and the global competition with Taiwan in this field, financial regulations (of any) that allow two sides to invest and gain in each other's financial markets, people-to-people exchange between ROC and ROK and working-level relations between ROC and ROK (such as visa arrangement and APEC Business Travel Card that already mentioned). If you are Korean and if you know this topic well enough then it would be great if you can contribute to this article in depth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.248.250.8 (talk) 02:45, May 19, 2012


 * Thanks for your comments! My initial point was about the tags that were deleted without a notice in this talk page. And I continued to commented on how to improve the article based on my personal opinion. In many articles, those tags stay for years and after tens of edits until the quality of article have improved. It's not for criticizing the main contributor, but it's a call for other Wikipedians to improve articles.
 * Your proposal of including cultural and economic relationship between ROC and ROK is really interesting. But in my "humble" opinion, this article should focus on the diplomatic relationship between ROC and ROK. In other words, government to government ties/contacts should be the main part. If we include "people to people relations" (be it may cultural, economic or technological), then the scope of article would be too broad. Maybe you can create a separate article on the issue. Or those contents can be included in pages like "Tourism of Taiwan", "Culture of South Korea", or "Economy of Taiwan". And we can mentioned that "South Koreans choose Taiwan as one of the top tourist's destinations", etc.
 * In general, I want a good bilateral relationship between ROC and ROK. I have a great respect to Taiwanese people for many achievements. When I was young, ROC was The China in South Korea while PRC was the communist China. Severing diplomatic ties with ROC have left a bad taste in many Taiwanese' mouth, but past is past and we must move on. So, many thanks for contributing to this important article.
 * Finally, I hope you could follow some of the Wikipedia's policy. As a courtesy, please sign your comment with four consecutive tides, like ~ . This will show your ID (in your case IP) and signed date. And please consider to join Wikipedia as a registered user. If you register, you can watch your edited pages, and be notified whenever someone changed them. Thanks again, and Happy Wiking!


 * --- PBJT (talk) 02:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for the comments there. I personally would recommend Wikipedia to have a Wikipedia Scholar section later with efficient sourcing and performances. Taiwan is insignificant to South Korea; needlessly to mention about Taiwan's political dilemma but in economic term Taiwan's economic scale is not comparable to Mainland China (now second largest economy in the world next to United States) so it is understandable that (pretty much the whole world) ROK recognizes People's Republic of China for the sake of national interest (and yes for commercial interest and regional interest too). But by winding down politics, there are many common grounds between ROC and ROK.

South Korea had undergone major transformation of democratization and developed market economy with decent industrial policies. Culturally, ROK had taught the Korean with Korean Pride - a basis for cultural export. From the western viewpoint, Taiwan used to be akin to the type of comparable national development of ROK in many areas before President Kim Dae-jung of ROK sworn in as President. In the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997, ROK's monetary authority was given to IMF to save the country from bankruptcy and Taiwan did not suffer from this because Taiwan's monetary/financial regulatory committee was cautious about monetary liberalization beforehand. But ROK sold many banks and public financial assets to foreign investors in the midst of the crisis to cut the debt/deficit and asserts internationalization on the financial industry (and becoming competitive) at the same time. President Kim Dae-jung also introduced DJnomics that would have a large impact on the IT service economy of SK. Chaebols like Samsung/LG with greater size of operations and product management that would inevitably appear to the Taiwanese consumers in the Taiwanese market and compete with tech companies from Taiwan (in electronic component) internationally. Hangul of Korea is originated from the traditional Chinese which is still the official written characters in Taiwan.

For the technical question of sign in please let me know step-by-step of this to avoid breaching the rules and policies of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.126.104.11 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, singing at the end of your comment is a minor, technical detail, but some Wikipedians care about it much. Whenever you leave a comment, just type four tides like ~ at the end of your comment. Those tides will automatically change into your user name and signed time and date. Also, try to have a look at WP:Markup page and make yourself familiar with simple markups: For example, typing Colon (punctuation) in front of your sentence make it indented. Per Talk, I wouldn't elaborate all the details here.
 * Taiwan isn't by no means insignificant to South Korea (or any other country for that matter), and ROC and ROK are like a twin country in many ways. Anyway, Wikipedia isn't a forum and talk pages should be used to discuss on how to improve the article in general. If you want to discuss ROC-ROK relationship in general, feel free to visit my user talkpage and I'll be happy to discuss any topic.
 * I have the impression that you're very well informed on South Korea. If I may correct one thing, however, Hanja is originated from China and Hanja is still an integral part of Korean language. Once again, please consider to register Wikipedia. I used to contribute anonymously for a while like you, but I find the benefits of registering wiki and it's worthwhile.

--- PBJT (talk) 05:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hangul and Chinese characters
Hi again. For Hangul please refer to first paragraph of http://www.tufs.ac.jp/ts/personal/choes/korean/middle/text/kairei2.html (in Hanja and Japanese translation), you will see that Hangul was created from the Chinese philosophy of Yin and yang. It is worthy to research more about this. That was a typo and Hanja is all from Chinese characters. (122.126.104.11 (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC))


 * Thanks for the clarification. I cannot continue topic-unrelated discussion in this talk page, and please leave your comments on your talk page User talk:122.126.104.11. I'll be happy to discuss any topics on ROC-ROK relationship. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a forum: WP:FORUM. By the way, excellent job of singing your comment! --- PBJT (talk) 21:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Copy Edit and Clean up
I copy edited this article and also cleaned it up by adding section headings and reorganizing it a bit. Lexah06 (talk) 08:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Dubious
Dubious timeframe for establishment of relations/Not a state then: The date given in April 1919 of establishment of relations between ROC and ROK is doubtful. ROK was annexed and under Japanese rule then and most likely has no sovereignty to establish relations with any other country. Anyone with citation to support the current statement, please add it in. Otherwise, the correct date would likely be after 1945 when Japan gave up its rule of Korea.Mistakefinder (talk) 04:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. It is very clear that would mean Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea at the time recognized by the Nationalist China before 1945. (114.36.105.100 (talk) 10:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC))

Move discussion in progress
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