Talk:Southernmost city in the world

Reason for article
I've just notice one delete/undo with reason given as: (redirect to Antarctica (WP not a dictionary))

Just want to clarify why I started the article. The article doesn't have anything to do with Antarctica per se,

There are 3 cities/towns which use this slogan and claim it as fact as well, ie that THEY are the southernmost city in the world. This is a current, continual and never seemingly ending source of conflict between editors in those pages, mainly the ones for Ushuaia, Puerto Williams , and Punta Arenas.

But if one reads the talk pages there it seems that it can never be solved, or in WP we can never really say which one is the most southernmost city in the world (due to the many reasons given there). So then I believe there is a need to have an article which summarizes the claims of each city involved in this argument, or discussion, so that people can access WP and find out that 3 cities/town hold claim to this 'southernmost city' slogan.

But please check for errors and correct whatever is necessary to do. But again this article doesn't have anything to do with Antarctica or southern ocean or anything like it, just the 'southernmost city in the world'. Chuckarg33 (talk) 07:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Remove Río Grande
Río Grande is smaller than Ushuaia and lies north of it. So this settlement is outshadowed demographycally, geographically and politically by Ushuauia. Is there anything that makes Río Grande a better competitor to claim the title of southernmost city than Ushuaia? Have Río Grande even been mentioned as the southnmost city in the world at all? Dentren |  Ta lk  08:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that Ushuaia is a better fit, but that would be my conclusion. I added Rio Grande here because several others over in the Ushuaia discussion claimed that it could also be called that; plus Rio Grande is further south than Punta Arenas so since this article is about the ongoing disagree on which place is the 'world's southernmost city' it would then be appropriate to include it or mention it in some way somewhere in the article because Punta Arenas is mentioned. That's why it was included. Otherwise, if we go by what is clearly logical, only Ushuaia and Puerto Williams would be in this article with the for and against of each. But then we have sources calling Punta Arenas the southernmost city etc etc Chuckarg33 (talk) 08:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The diagram with the cities marked is excellent, by the way. Chuckarg33 (talk) 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

suggested that this article or section be merged with Southernmost cities and towns. (Discuss)
I hope it isn't merged because this one is about the use of the slogan while 'Southernmost cities and towns' is more of a geography article. Chuckarg33 (talk) 19:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Reasons for a merge

 * There are three articles with similar content, Southernmost city in the world, southernmost cities and towns and southernmost settlements. I suggest to merge them all into the later and have "Southernmost city as a sub-section. And to redirect Southenmost city in the world to Southernmost settlements, so that the this subsection cuold be directly linked from pages suvch as Ushuaia, Puerto Williams and Punta Arenas.


 * Actually, on second thoughts, it make more sense to merge them. Because the other two are tables, I'd suppose it would be better to add those two into this article as sections because they are mostly tables. I mean adding southernmost cities and towns and southernmost settlements as sections following the 'Claims' section here, or merging both tables into one to add into this article. Or we could start a new page incorporating the three articles. What I think is important is to have a table listing these settlements by latitude and population but also to have a section describing the ongoing disagreement between the Cities/Towns involved in the claims to be the 'most southernmost city' without taking sides, that is just stating the ones that claim this and why they do so, with sources off course. The picture here is also crucial since it shows people where these cities are located. Chuckarg33 (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Totally agree. Having one article the reader will get a complete view on wich are the southernmost settlements, their population, activites, claims and so on. Ist a good idea to have both a table and brieft descrisptions of the settlements aswell as a section Southernmost settlements wich allow to make direct links to this part of the article from Ushuaia and PW. Dentren |  Ta lk  17:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Problem with merge. I don't think it will work because the subject here is different between the articles. This one here is about a tourist slogan while the other two are on geography or geographical facts. But there is a draft run here to consider and modify where needed. Charlie (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)