Talk:Southwestern Ontario

Edit history
Article was incorrectly cut-and-pasted from Western Ontario by User:216.13.75.194, rather than the proper procedure via the move tab. See article history at that title for edits prior to February 23, 2006. Bearcat 02:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Wine?
Where in SW Ont. does anyone grow wine grapes (article says "wine growing" is an important industry)? Just asking. John FitzGerald 04:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Lake Erie North Shore, Pelee Island - there are probly others. WilyD 13:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. John FitzGerald 13:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

"Industrial Heartland"?
I'm kind of dubious about using "industrial heartland" as a descriptor applied to "southwestern Ontario" as geographically defined in this article. If we're excluding the Toronto and Hamilton areas by definition from the category, I'd like to suggest that it's misleading. deconstructhis

Unless you're from around here(no Toronto is NOT the center of the universe), then you're totally clueless. Southwestern Ontario has indeed been identified as the "Industrial Heartland" by the Provincial Government, the CAW(Canadian Auto Workers), among others. I remember our high school geography teacher refer to this area using that very same terminology, so I'm restating my position and reverting your edit. Nananananana!

See:

http://www.techtriangle.com/viewEvent.cfm?Event_ID=284

"Southwestern Ontario", as defined in this article, specifically excludes the Niagara/Hamilton/Toronto/Oshawa region, which is quite obviously the largest concentration of industry in this country. I'm not suggesting that anything west of that area doesn't contain large scale industrial development, what I'm saying is that if you exclude the communities at the west end of Lake Ontario mentioned above from a definition of "southwestern Ontario", and label it "Canada's Industrial Heartland", the statement is quite simply and obviously wrong. My assumption is that the organizations that you are citing above were including the Hamilton,Toronto region in their definition of "southwestern Ontario" and thus this confusion has come about. I'm once again going to remove "Canada's Industrial Heartland" as a descriptor for "southwestern Ontario", as defined in this article. I would appreciate support from other editors who also reside here in Ontario, especially those who like myself may reside 'west of Toronto'. lol

Deconstructhis 20:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

A Google search on the topic reveals that London does indeed adopt the term. However, so does Hamiliton, Halton Hills. I found mentions of it in the Ontario Legislative Debates as well as StatsCan, however neither of those defined the term. I don't think you could find any references to only SW Ontario or all of SW Ontario included in any definition. Therefore, saying SW Ontario 'is' the Industrial Heartland is misleading. Some goes for the Banana Belt term.

--Jdeboer 13:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

"Banana Belt?"
I'm challenging "Banana Belt" as an accurate term as well, if it's applied as an overall 'nickname' for southwestern Ontario as described geographically in this article. In my experience, I've never seen it applied as an informal descriptor to a part of southern Ontario except the region roughly spanning the north shore of Lake Erie from Niagara to Windsor. This example for instance:

http://www.carolinian.org/FactSheets_CCUniqueness.htm

Personally, except as curiosities, I kind of doubt the overall value of using these kinds of terms in general, unless they're already in regular and common use and perhaps more importantly, they apply to the *entire* region being discussed. Otherwise, I consider them misleading to a general Wikipedia reader. deconstructhis

Again, this is simply not true. Southwestern Ontario has the warmest climate in all of Canada, that factor, combined with the warm-moist humid air that comes up from the southern U.S. gives SW Ontario one of the longest growing seasons in Canada. Hence the name "Banana Belt". Some of you people don't seem to be very informed about Canada at all.(I'm not surprised).

Refer to: http://www.deerrunlifestyle.com/homes_of_deer_run.html 72.39.175.193 14:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

"Southwestern Ontario has the warmest climate in all of Canada", is something that is often assumed and cited by people who live in Ontario, but is a misconception that doesn't hold up to even a basic scrutiny of the subject. Historically, the highest temperatures ever recorded in Canada occurred on the southern prairies, in Saskatchewan and Alberta. In terms of highest yearly average temperatures and length of growing season, once again, it's not southwestern Ontario, it's the region surrounding the cities of Vancouver and Victoria in southern British Columbia. I'm going to try and strike a compromise with you on this one, I'm willing to go with 'Ontario's Banana Belt', although anyone who has lived in the more northerly parts of "southwestern Ontario" as defined in this article, might beg to differ. lol

Deconstructhis 20:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

List of counties/regions
Is there a good source for the list of counties/regions that make up Southwestern Ontario? I concede that Toronto, Peel, and York Region is not a part of it, and maybe not Halton, but I'm not sure about Hamilton or Niagara, and I really think that Haldimand County should is part of it.
 * I don't have a source for it, but I believe the general consensus is that Hamilton is part of the Greater Toronto Area and Niagara and Haldimand are a separate section, the Niagara Peninsula--although I admit it's not really clear-cut. Ontario's regions are kind of subjective based on where you live and where you think another area starts. I don't think there's any official regional boundaries declared by the Ontario government.--Ducio1234 (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I see Haldimand is listed under the counties but is not included on the map. I suppose it's up for debate.--Ducio1234 (talk) 15:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that it is not clear-cut. But in principal I don't think there is any reason that there cannot be overlap between regions, or one region could even be a subset of another.  Theoretically, the Niagara Peninsula could be part of SW Ontario and Hamilton could be both a part of the Golden Horseshoe and SW Ontario.  --thirty-seven (talk) 19:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Major Agricultural Crops??? this isn't right
I don't have time, but someone should visit OMAFRA and fix this. Sweet corn is not a major crop (field corn is) and I've never seen canola grown in southwestern Ontario! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.81.64.56 (talk) 09:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)