Talk:Soy milk/Archive 2

Bias
The article seems biased. The part about the negative health effects all have things rebutting the facts without sources and nothing rebuts the facts about the positive health effects. Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.232.58 (talk) 02:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to find more in depth information about non-fermented soy products. I'm amazed that nobody is doing any research about the negative health effects of non-fermented soy products. I drink soy milk because I like it and because it won't give me the shits but I can't seem to find anything but propaganda on both sides of the argument and no scientific proof either way. Just because it's 'natural' it doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated like any other substance that could be dangerous. Soy contains estrogen which have severely impacted my cycle and PMS symptoms in a negative way. I don't know if you consider these sources valid but at least the information can help those who can do better research find scientific proof. I would like this article to be accurate because I think we have the right to know what we are putting in our bodies. http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5629.cfm http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/soy%20dangers.htm http://www.organichealthblog.com/2008/soy-milk-benefits-vs-dangers/


 * Now, it seems that even in the vegan community people are weary of eating these soy products so that leads me to further believe it isn't completely safe especially for women, like me, with very high estrogen issues. Could we add (if it already hasn't) information about viable substitutions for soy milk like rice milk or hemp milk? Sigh, not to mention that the milk I'm addicted to is high in sugar and fat. Regardless of the fact that dairy companies seem to have funded studies against soy milk there are no unbiased studies that point out both positive and negative effects. I mean, if eating too many carrots can cause carotinosis then eating too much of anything can cause side effects. And how much soy is safe? So if someone can better this article to include much needed information about the side effects of soy I would be infinitely grateful. I'm afraid that the misconception of soy as being healthy puts seemingly health conscious people at risk. 66.214.98.212 (talk) 05:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)m0u5y
 * "I concur...this article doesn't even have anything about negative effects right now. This is a problem this article is biased." - The Carnivore  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.225.21 (talk) 02:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Clarification needed under "soy milk is promoted as a healthy alternative..."

 * "Soy milk is promoted as a healthy alternative to cow's milk for reasons including:
 * Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats are good for the heart. (It should be noted that whole milk has just as much monounsaturated fat as soy milk; ..."
 * Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats are good for the heart. (It should be noted that whole milk has just as much monounsaturated fat as soy milk; ..."

- by "whole milk", does it mean whole cow's/dairy milk?

Thanks.--Tyranny Sue (talk) 00:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Dating
Why is it that this article uses AD and BC to express a particular point in time? The proper usage of timeline would be BCE--before the common era and ACE--after common era. As these abbreviations do not assume that Christ is involved in a persons common understanding, as BC (before Christ) and AD (after death) insert this pre-conceived bias into the article that every reader will understand this time cycle. However, this I'd not always the case, especially for people unfamiliar with the Christian religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.132.142 (talk) 00:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:ERA. This edit was completely mistaken about the Liu An angle but established the usage of the page as . That should be maintained consistently, pending a new consensus to the contrary. Also, ACE is not a thing. — Llywelyn II   17:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Omega-3
It's not true that cow milk lacks omega-3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grzes (talk • contribs) 11:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please help to verify Ref 24
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119485101/home --222.64.219.173 (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Pornographic Spam
I don't really know much about how to make changes but for anyone that does, the picture of a girl supposedly drinking soya milk is actually, apparently, a girl drinking sperm according to the picture's own description. Possibly not appropriate? --62.31.181.204 (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

New Picture of Woman consuming Soy Milk
This image was most likely placed here by a malicious editor. It's actually a woman preforming Gokkun, which is consuming semen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.67.63 (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction in paragraph on sperm count
The article reads: "While the study found a decreasing trend in sperm concentration with soy intake, it also notes that soy food and isoflavone intake were unrelated to total sperm count, ejaculate volume, sperm motility, or sperm morphology and that the clinical significance of the findings remains to be determined.[11]"

This obviously can't be true. If the sperm count remains constant, and the ejaculate volume remains constant, how can the sperm concentration decrease? - 208.123.162.2 (talk) 00:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Its bullshit. The dairy industry has put out a lot of false information on soy milk. The debunked urban legend that it contains estrogen, for example. --98.232.176.109 (talk) 21:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

USA-Centric
'soy' is US English.

'Soya' is used in other languages and cultures around the world, including UK English.

This article is biased towards the USA-centric view of the planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.80.28 (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to point you to WP:ENGVAR. I would love to change it to soya, but it is against the guidelines. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  06:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an english article, and 'other languages' don't matter here... the vast majority of english speaking people speak US English, which further invalidates your point and shows your bias. Not that it matters considering the wiki guidelines. LieAfterLie (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that is correct. Any source? 87.194.162.141 (talk) 08:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a common claim on Wikipedia - I have not seen any source to back it up. It seems to be based on the US population compared to the UK population. That doesn't take into account the people in the commonwealth who all speak British English. I am sure India on it's own more has more English speakers than anywhere else. Sue De Nimes (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Solubility
"which is insoluble in humans". I wasn't aware that humans were a known solvent. If the original author is reading, could you explain what you mean here? JonSenior (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Flavour preferences
In the article it says "...paint-like, off-flavors of traditional soy milk..." I think this isn't very correct or neutral. While some might prefer a more neutral soymilk, the "traditional" soymilk is what people prefer in most of asia, and it is what at least I prefer too. I think it would be better to write "the bean flavours of traditional soy milk..." /Kalle, 2 Oct 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.66.110.214 (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Soy milk/soymilk vs soy drink
The article includes inaccurate information according to which Australia does not use the term soy milk. In fact, most products you see on supermarket shelves as well as in Asian food stores are labelled soy milk or soymilk. Very few manufacturers (if any) use the term soy drink. This would need to be amendeed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.5.61 (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Zokvok, 26 December 2010
The negatives of soy aren't really mentioned, see this: http://www.nmia.com/~galenvtp/WAPSoyP2.pdf

At least some mention of the phytoestrogen issue is necessary.

Zokvok (talk) 19:10, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you type up a sample entry, and then I can add it? C T J F 8 3  chat 18:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: See above. → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 23:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Its bullshit. The "soy milk contains estrogen" urban legend has been debunked for years now, and actually needs to be mentioned IN THE ARTICLE for that very reason: Some people still think its true. It was originally put out by the dairy industry to try and drive people away from soy. --98.232.176.109 (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not bullshit. Soy milk (unsweetened) contains 6028 μg of phytoestrogen per 100 g wet weight. Whole cow's milk contains 25 μg/100 g (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf801344x). Whether this has any adverse health consequences is altogether another question. 211.31.2.101 (talk) 08:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

In regard to : . " Soy milk (unsweetened) contains 6028 μg of phytoestrogen per 100 g wet weight. " . Precision should NOT be confused with accuracy : "6 mg" in place of "6028 ug" would be a better expression of the parameter. . I make no comment as regards the facts or effects of the item in question. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.55.44 (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

This page is biased: Cow milk is meant to be consumed by calves, not by humans. Soy milk is suitable for humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda Martens (talk • contribs) 15:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

ecologically advantageous?
Very unscientific, and heavily biased. "because the amount of soy that could be grown using the same amount of land would feed more people than if used to raise cows." If you stop feeding your cows with human foods, people can eat beans cows will eat the stalks(yes thats what they actually eat) and I can have my good old fashioned cheese without exposing my taste buds to soya, so everyone will be happy, except for the vegan who added that sentence to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.107.89.84 (talk) 21:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Trivia removal
I removed the translations because this article is not supposed to be a translation service. I removed the data on cow milk because the article is on soy milk. 71.255.88.243 (talk) 18:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The information is not trivial because the term soy milk is translated from Chinese, like many other articles that contained other languages, it showed the origin of the word. The data on cow milk seemed to be added as a comparison to soy milk, which the term at least contained milk in it. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  12:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The term soy milk is in English. It is a common term in the English language. There is no need for translations to other languages on the English Wikipedia, especially a whole section. Other terms for soy milk are in the opening sentence. The history of soy milk is in the origins section of the article. There are actually no sources in the article stating that the term soy milk is translated from Chinese. The term soy milk may come from the product being made from soy and its resemblance to milk. Even if the term is directly translated from Chinese, why is there a list of translations in languages other than Chinese? The data on cow milk is irrelevant to the article on soy milk. These things are trivia. If they were kept in the article, translations for as many languages possible and data for other items such as almond milk, rice milk, coconut milk, peanut milk, etc. might as well be included in the article. 71.255.88.243 (talk) 07:31, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The term soy milk is a direct translation of 豆奶, 豆 = soy, 奶 = milk. Which explains why a non-dairy product is called milk.(In Chinese, 奶 have more meaning thus there's no such problem).  And most sources said Soy milk originated in China, thus it is a Chinese product and is obviously translated from Chinese.  (It would be stupid to import a product and not translate its name.)  Even if it is not translated from Chinese, it would be from Japanese's 豆乳 (Which is also soy milk) yet from the kanji usage you can tell that it is also originated in China.(Which the term is also Chinese usage in different area)  I do not care if the other articles included the original term for them or not, I don't even know where they originated from.  The fact is that soy milk originated from China, and having the original term here is not trivia at all.  If you want to remove other languages' translations, feel free to do so. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Soy milk is now an English language term. The trivia must be incorporated in context rather than just listed. 174.226.209.97 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC).
 * The term is in latin characters and is not a foreign term. It's a loan term. The history of soy milk is relevant and should be a body paragraph. An infobox or list with foreign names is not needed though.Egg Expert (talk) 08:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

About the name and the categorisation
Since this article is just called "Soy milk", shouldn't it just be put in the category "Milk" rather than the category "Milk substitutes"? Any responses will be appreciated, thank you. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No. It is 'milk' in the broad sense of 'opaque, whitish liquid', but not in the most literal sense. When people talk about 'milk substitutes' they invariably mean 'substitutes for mammalian mammary secretions', not 'substitutes for opaque, whitish liquids'. --Oolong (talk) 08:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Pancreatic hypersecretion and tumors
"Eating raw soybeans on a regular basis causes the pancreas to hypersecrete, leading to benign tumors of the pancreas."

Requesting a reference for that. As a physician, I haven't seen people with pancreatic tumors linked to hypersecretion of proteases. Do you mean pseudocysts (which are not tumors)? In any case, a credible reference is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.17.66 (talk) 15:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Factual error?
How could the EU pass a law about who can use the term "milk" in 1987 when the EU didn't exist until 1993? Is someone being lazy and referring to one of the trade commissions that existed before the formal founding of the EU? Whole Wheat Ιγνάτιος (talk) 19:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Another factual error someone may want to fix:
 * "Soy milk has about the same amount of protein as cow's milk, though the amino acid profile differs. Natural soy milk contains little digestible calcium as it is bound to the bean's pulp..."
 * This is contradicted by this research report on the calcium issue which shows it is equal to cows milk:
 * http://nutritionfacts.org/video/calcium-absorption-soy-milk-versus-cow-milk/
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.134.178 (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Milk?
With all due respect, as there is no Soy Tit, WHY do we call this Soy Milk? Coal town guy (talk) 18:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Analogy and metonymy. — Llywelyn II   17:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Some sort of weird ad?
When I first opened this page, there was some weird "wikimedia" advertisement "shoot the robber and get a reward!" thing. I removed the jumble of text at the beginning of the article in the edit screen, but that also removed the banner on the right side of the article. When I put the text back, with the intention of figuring out exactly which part pertained to this odd ad, the ad had vanished. Just wanted to let you guys know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:9680:38B:D1F3:519A:CF67:4DF5 (talk) 09:20, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

preparation of soy milk in home
Step 1: Soak 3 cups of dried soy beans over night or for at least 8 hours. Step 2:Drain and carefully rinse soybeans then pass them through the Omega 8003 juicer. This step takes about 5 minutes. Step 3:Pour 1 gallon of drinking, distilled or spring water into a large stainless steel pot. Add the mashed soy beans into water and stir             for few minutes. Step 4:Pass the mashed soy and water through the Omega juicer again to extract soy milk and pour the soy milk into another large pot. Step 5:Pass the soy milk though a cheese cloth the final time before cooking it. It takes about 10-15 minutes from steps 3 to 5 Final Step - Cook Soy Milk

This is an important step. The cooking time is important, as raw soybeans contain a factor known as a tripsin inhibitor. Essentially, this means that the protein contained in the beans cannot be properly assimilated by the body unless the beans are well cooked. Soy milk should be cooked for at least 25 minutes from the first boiling time. Another challenge is the soy milk may stick to the bottom of the pot. A wooden spatula is very handy for stirring the soy milk.

a) Put the pot of soy milk on the cooking stove. Use high heat. Stir the soy milk clockwise every 25-30 seconds. Make sure there is no soy milk stuck at the bottom. If it is stuck, use the wooden spatula to remove it.	b) When it boils, adjust the heat to medium, keeping it at a boiling level. At this time, you only need to stir the soy milk once in a while. The soy milk may also rise very quickly. If it does, take the pot off the stove for about 30 seconds and put it back afterwards. It may rise about 3-4 times. c) Use a timer to set the time for about 25 minutes then turn off the heat. Soy milk is now ready to drink or for making tofu.

Variations and comments This method uses juicer to grind soy beans but you can also use blender, food processor, grinder or stone grinder. Combine with a cheese cloth will yield the similar result as the above juicer but more labor work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.126.216 (talk) 16:39, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That's nice. Wikipedia is WP:NOT a cookbook; we don't publish recipes. --jpgordon:==( o ) 22:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

soy "juice"
seems to feel strongly that we shouldn't refer to "milk" but rather to "juice". Changed it back in August 2013 here and today here and after I reverted, asking for discussion, again here. Per WP:COMMON we refer to things as they are referred to generally in reliable sources, and the sources generally do call this "soy milk". Discuss, please! Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:01, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Which source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jettto (talk • contribs) 16:03, 25 December 2014‎ (UTC)
 * please see every source in the article. thanks.Jytdog (talk) 16:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see any. Why did you also have to delete the ingredients list of the soy drinks? What's your definition of the word Milk?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jettto (talk • contribs) 16:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There are 14 sources in the article. My definition of "milk" doesn't matter, and neither does yours. Per the talk page guidelines please focus your comments on sources and article content. Thanks.  Please bring sources showing that "soy juice" is the commonly used  term.  Thanks.  Jytdog (talk) 16:23, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Gout association with soy milk
According to the article on gout, the following statement under "Health and nutrition" is not true: "For people who suffer from gout, purine in soy can make the condition worse". The article on gout makes the following statement "Studies in the early 2000s have found that other dietary factors once believed associated are, in fact, not, including the intake of purine-rich vegetables (e.g. beans, peas, lentils, and spinach) and total protein." based on a study referenced there. My opinion is that we should either remove the comment entirely or note that there are conflicting recommendations. Opinions please? -- Quadiago (talk) 10:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have updated both sections. Jytdog (talk) 13:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, well done on the changes. Quadiago (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Taste
The "Taste" paragraph feels very biased and incomplete. First, it actually doesn't describe the taste, which is "oaty", "ricey" or "vegetabley" according to the source and my personal experience, at least for the better products. Also "A majority (60%) disliked the soymilk sample slightly, moderately, very much and extremely" according to the source doesn't really confirm "consistently significantly inferior". Seems like 40% of the testers liked soy milk? Also treating soy milk just as a milk substitute and not as it's own product isn't really fair or appropriate. -- Jonathan Haas (talk) 13:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Harry W. Miller, pioneer developer
It's odd that he isn't mentioned. Here's a good source: http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/harry_miller.php -- BullRangifer (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Mentioned in passing. Most of the details should go at a dedicated page. — Llywelyn II   17:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Sections on free radicals and estrogen
The sections below are too weak in sources and too distant from actual soy milk in relevance to be included in the article.

Free radicals When soybeans absorb water, the endogenous enzyme, Lipoxygenase (LOX), EC 1.13.11.12 linoleate:oxidoreductase, catalyzes a reaction between polyunsaturated fatty acids and oxygen {hydroperoxidation}. LOX initiates the formation of free radicals, which can then attack other cell components. Soybean seeds are the richest known sources of LOXs, which are thought to be a defensive mechanism by the soybean against fungal invasion.


 * Comment: This is not only unsourced, it's unfounded in relevance to soy milk. There is no evidence soy milk contains soy components in sufficient content to be applicable to these statements.

Estrogen controversy Soy is a plant-based estrogen, or phytoestrogen, containing two isoflavones, genistein and daidzein, which have estrogen-like properties with wide-ranging effects, including reproduction and cancer effects. Controversy has arisen based on isolated reports of feminizing changes in men who consumed soy, although subsequent research showed no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on men's reproductive hormones. The effects of soy on thyroid health are still not fully known although preliminary research indicates no adverse effects.


 * Comment: Again, the sources did not evaluate soy milk and the amount of soy phytoestrogens in soy milk is unknown and probably miniscule. There is no justification to include any discussion about estrogen effects from consuming soy milk, WP:UNDUE and WP:OFFTOPIC. --Zefr (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That first paragraph was simply moved from the Preparation section, which is completely unsourced.
 * The thing about the rest is, all the mainstream sources I found that describe a linkage between soy milk and estrogen end up talking about just soy in general, not milk specifically. The context is always the milk but the references are about soy. The connection is definitely there in the mainstream press. Just google https://www.google.com/search?q=soy+milk+estrogen and a whole bunch of stuff comes up. So what I did was try to follow the trail to the actual scholarly journals and cite those. Given the coverage, regardless of the fact that the sources don't evaluate soy milk specifically, the connection made by mainstream media between soy milk and estrogen effects seems worth mentioning given that the connection is widely reported. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * With respect, I can't agree with either position. The free radical story is off-the-wall speculation about effects in vivo and the estrogen link is pure conjecture and baseless concerning soy milk components. Applicable guides for the encyclopedia article on soy milk are WP:NOTNEWS, WP:NOTFAQ and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Let's stick to making the article encyclopedic. --Zefr (talk) 15:16, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not concerned about the free radical bit. I didn't write that part, I just moved it.
 * Let me make sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that you cannot agree that a link between soy milk and estrogen effects, which has been widely reported in mainstream reliable sources for years to the point of qualifying as a common misconception, is not sufficiently notable for inclusion here? None of the policies you quoted are relevant to long-standing coverage of a subtopic. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:58, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Doesn't qualify without a WP:MEDRS source proving the link specifically for soy milk. You're just following online trends which are not WP:RS. --Zefr (talk) 21:02, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Taste
The "taste" paragraph currently only contains information about soy milk as a cow milk substitute for drinking. It's not really unexpected that people prefer vanilla flavored sweet drinks but obviously these wouldn't work well in classical Asian cuisine or as a milk substitute in many "salty" meals. Can we add some information about how regular soy milk (without additives) tastes, preferably without comparing it to cow milk? -- Jonathan Haas (talk) 12:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's called "milk". It is explicitly understood and marketed as a substitute good for dairy milk. Of course a comparison to dairy milk is in order. — Llywelyn II   17:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


 * That said,
 * In another study, 54% of participants preferred the taste of cow's milk, while 27% preferred soy milk, with sweetness and cream qualities identified as important flavor preferences.
 * this passage can't stay in the article. Taste preferences can be highly culture dependent. The source
 * seems right on point, but someone needs to go back to it and pull out who the participants are and what the ethnic and health factors are that were found to drive their preferences. — Llywelyn II   03:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * seems right on point, but someone needs to go back to it and pull out who the participants are and what the ethnic and health factors are that were found to drive their preferences. — Llywelyn II   03:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Effect?
"it was discovered that prolonged heating eliminated this effect", what effect? 31.50.156.84 (talk) 15:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Might it be the curdling that was once associated with the early soymilks in the 1980s and early 1990s? MaynardClark (talk) 02:21, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Move request
Should this article title be moved to "soymilk"? I prefer the spelling without spaces.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 10:29, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * >>Not needed. It is probably for consistency such as almond milk and coconut milk. Looks like 'soy milk' already redirects to this article.SWP13 (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * While I could prefer the term 'soymilk' to 'soy milk' (and a consistent deletion of the space between * and 'milk' in *milk), I don't think we're there yet (in usage), and IMO no change should be made (yet I do prefer a single word 'soymilk' to 'soy milk'). I seem to recall that the spelling of the plantmilk word string was given the extra space consistently because the earlier article had been written as soy milk. I, too, prefer the term MaynardClark (talk) 02:20, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Removal of off-topic health effects section
This edit was made because the content and sources are not about soy milk, and are a rant about unproven negative effects of soy and phytoestrogens. Soy milk contains such a small amount of actual soy constituents - with no evidence of significant phytoestrogen content - that such a beverage is better described as a "soy flavored" drink. Any nutritional benefits of soy milk are the nutrients added purposely during manufacturing. PMID 27723080 is a 2017 review of phytoestrogen effects on health, showing the still-current inconclusive status, and if anything, phytoestrogens confer a health benefit, rather than a risk that was emphasized in the content removed. --Zefr (talk) 17:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Exports and Imports
Soybeans are a common topic in discussion of international trade, as has been happening just today. Is there justification for researching, developing, and including a concise section on that topic (imports and exports of soybeans)? MaynardClark (talk) 22:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Spatial distribution of 'soyaphilia'
Where is soymilk widely consumed? Is there existing 'body of knowledge' about the marketability of soymilk and soyfoods (where soybeans are not consumed as animal feed)? MaynardClark (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The soybean world production is shown here, and the world market for soy milk is discussed in this article among many others searchable on Google. We should have a section on global trends in soy milk consumption. --Zefr (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2020 (UTC)