Talk:Sozin's Comet

Justifying this page
Why is this page about Sozin's Comet here? These episodes fall under Book 3, which already has a page, and these episodes do not need to be spoiled or expanded upon. I nominate this page for deletion as it does not really add much to the main article. Why not have an article about the first episode? Or "The Fury of Aang" TV event? Or "The Day of Black Sun" TV event? It's all the same. MisterZeppo (talk) 16:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't. This movie was more notable than those. If you have enough out-of-universe info on those, be my guest and make them. And new topics go at the bottom of the page, you can do this by clicking the "new section" tab. Rau's Speak Page 16:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Other stuff doesn't exist isn't a convincing argument. Deamon138 (talk) 17:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Next time, leave a new message at the bottom of the page, in order for the talk page to go in order chronologically. Oh, and MisterZeppo, next time you want to nominate a page for deletion, try WP:AfD. Also, you need to cite MoS, Neutrality issues, lack of cites, or other definitive reasons. Also, you can't possibly think of deleting a GA? --haha169 (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Image
The image seems somewhat vague to me. Would a photoshopped title card be better? If so, I can do that. Rau's Speak Page 21:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we don't used photoshopped material on Wikipedia, except under certain circumstances, such as minor improvements to an existing image ie. removing noise. The best is to find an appropriate screenshot that describes the entire thing. I would suggest this image from Wikia, but it has digital watermarks on it. Shame. --haha169 (talk) 04:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Not to mention the poor quality. Here's one without the watermarks, and a bit (not much) higher quality. I can brighten them up, if that's allowed.  Rau's Speak Page 08:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's allowed. What I meant about non-photoshopping was no unofficial box arts and stuff like that. Whatever touch ups to make the image look better is much appreciated. Thanks! And also, can you get rid of the Nick logo, possibly by making it a widescreen image?--haha169 (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Awww.... but I like making stuff like that... Oh well, yea I can crop that thing to hell. Which one do you want? Rau's Speak Page 20:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * P Lol, I like making stuff like that to. It really doesn't matter, but the one with fire has more action. :) --haha169 (talk) 21:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Like this? And we can update when the DVD comes out. Rau's Speak Page 23:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For now, its fine. We'll wait for DVD for optimal results. :P Good job. Make it smaller, and upload. --haha169 (talk) 23:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. Image:Kick-@$ Aang.png, how's that? Rau's Speak Page 00:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, that name is hilarious. --haha169 (talk) 00:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, whats life without jokes. Rau's Speak Page 02:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * True. --haha169 (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Here, we have Sozin's Comet haven. Unfortunately, none of the images show the entire movie event as a whole. Maybe you can spot a good one? Flickr --haha169 (talk) 05:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Forked influences section
The section on inluences is just a condensed version of the one in the Avatar: The Last Airbender article, and is not at all relevant to this particular episode. It takes away from the quality of the entire article and should be rewrtiiten, or deleted. -69.121.179.87 (talk) 00:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. If you closely read the entire thing, you'd notice how several elements refer to Sozin's Comet itself, such as "IGN commented that the Sozin's Comet special "had that classic anime-look...". Besides, having things other than "plot" is preferable, and makes the article more encyclopedic. Anyway, notice the "main article" link. There are lots of "forks" in Wikipedia. --haha169 (talk) 00:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Current Ref 8
It's not formatted, but the problem is finding a link that links directly to it. I know that Nick's site is odd that way, but having seen links that link directly to specific episodes on TurboNick, I know that it is possible. If anybody can find a direct link to the intended article for current ref 8, I would appreciate it. --haha169 (talk) 01:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not formated because it doesn't really fit into any of the ones I know of. Would a screencapture and then a "cite image" template work? Rau's Speak Page 16:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a cite image template? Sure...I could take a screencap. The question would be: Where to upload? Copyvio issues... --haha169 (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought there was... There should be... But I guess we could just use a "cite web" template. And does photobucket work? Rau's Speak Page 18:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, you should find the cite template and read the documentation, since I am pretty sure that there is a copyvio problem with linking to sites like photobucket that host copyright violations. I mean, photobucket didn't get permission to host that, did they? (I know, Wikipedia has very strict regulations) --haha169 (talk) 19:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that you can't link to copyrighted content on Youtube, so I think the same would apply here with Photobucket. It might be justifiable as fair use, I've never been too interested in the legal side to Wikipedia, so I wouldn't know. Also, I don't think you can find a link directly to it on Nickelodeon, it seemed to be formatted in java/javascipt (I can't remember the diff), and although I'm no techie, I dunno that it's doable to link directly to the right part. Course: I might be wrong lol! Deamon138 (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There is always a link. I've seen people link directly to specific videos on TurboNick. I have the programs to do that as well. But the Avatar page's Java encoding is a bit different... I don't have a specific link. --haha169 (talk) 04:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There isn't a link because the page is a .swf, not java. All of the pages and stuff you see on that site are one file that goes to other sections of the file. Which is why I settled for writing instructions on how to get to it. Rau's Speak Page 13:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes the parts are .swf format, but the whole shebang it self is in .jhtml format i.e. java (see JHTML). I tried downloading some of the swf files, but it does nothing, which from my non-techie perspective I'd say it's because it's something to do with it being jhtml. Deamon138 (talk) 16:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That's where you are wrong. I have a plug-in called Amazing Media Browser, and it can find the exact URL, or flv url, to each flash object. Watch-free-movies.net directly links to swf movies. Its possible, I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. You obviously can't do it manually...you need some sort of code or something. The URL is unbelievably long. --haha169 (talk) 04:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a similar program, which normally works fine on most websites, but it didn't like the Nick website. I tried dloading some of the swf files as I said, and dloading swf files are normally fine (think online games), but nothing I have seems to like those swf files. Deamon138 (talk) 22:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Nick's site is a headache for people. --haha169 (talk) 23:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Aang and Katara's relationship
While editing the plot, I saw a couple of notes hidden in the article. One in particular that I saw was "" Is there any reason for this? It probably deserves at least a half-sentence mention, as it was something that was omnipresent throughout all of the seasons. NuclearWarfare  contact me My work 05:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "Omnipresent"? I think not. And even if it were, it was only featured for two second in the entire movie. Which is what this article focuses on. Rau's Speak Page 13:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I most definitely saw Aang and Katara's relationship in many episodes (1.3, 2.7, 2.20, for example). While I agree that it was not a large part of the episode, it definitely deserves at least some mention. NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  19:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but this isn't the place to discuss that. If you feel like bringing it up, the character articles would be best. And, while it was very present and an obvious subplot, it wasn't omnipresent. The only thing in the show that was, was Aang's need to master the elements. Rau's Speak Page 20:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK then, that makes sense. Thanks for informing me. NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  20:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

'The kiss' resolves an ongoing plotline throughout the whole series. Although it was minor compared to rest of the plot elemnts in the actual episode, it is another thing that draws the whole series together.Mohsin12345 (talk) 15:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it does not belong here. It would be better placed in the articles Aang or Katara (Does the latter have her own article?) '. NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  18:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Added NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  18:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes you're right.Mohsin12345 (talk) 10:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Audio Commentary possible additions?
Just a couple things I noted that don't seem to be mentioned here that were mentioned during the commentary: 1. Apparently they originally only planned on this being a 3 part-er. The last part (which now is the last 2 parts) got split during the story board phase when they realized they needed more time for it. 2. Apparently they actually thought they messed up on the Lion-Turtle, and were not satisfied with how things turned out with it's final look. This stands in contrast to the praise it ended up being given by the IGN reviewer. Derekloffin (talk) 17:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently? We can't use that here. We need hard facts - so I wrote the article based on the references. If you could provide some links, then we'll work from there. --haha169 (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't provide 'links' to audio commentary. You have to get the disc yourself and listen to it (or at least rent it). I'm not going to put it in myself, I just figured that they may be things to look into.  Derekloffin (talk) 11:18, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then you'll have to provide an offline cite. Publisher, author, recording studio, DVD? etc. All the info needs to be included. That also includes the time in which the commentary says the specific information. ie "2:45". --haha169 (talk) 05:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I think that until someone publishes the commentary in text, it'll be too much of a hassle to work with it. --haha169 (talk) 05:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't give up on it quite that easily, but I definitely would like to see a GA with such a reference in it to base the reference on before attempting it. It's not a common reference type. Derekloffin (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Lack of citations in the negative receptions section
I noticed that the negative reception section seems to have a good chunk of it devoted to a ranting fan. The vocabulary is not neutral and the information lacks citation. -00:35, 13 October 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.6.178 (talk)
 * Thanks for noticing that. Next time if you encounter such information, feel free to remove it yourself. See WP:BOLD. --haha169 (talk) 04:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

FAC
I'm closing the peer review and sending this to FAC. Peer review hasn't seem to have achieved anything, so there is no point in waiting. - NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  21:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre's Comments on FAC
Sceptre said that he would oppose the promotion of this article to featured status, because of its length. I have two questions to post to you all because of this:
 * 1) Should we withdraw the FAC?
 * 2) What else should we add? Sceptre mentioned that we should add more to the Reception and Production sections. Anyone else have any ideas? - NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  03:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I mentioned it before, but I guess it's worth mentioning again, the commentary track on the DVD has plenty of bits that could be added onto the article if you're looking for more length. The biggest issue is how to reference it.  Derekloffin (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that seems like it is a job for someone else. I used the internet to watch the entire series; I can't even access the DVD.
 * Also, I added some on the production and cast. - NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  01:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to do so, but 1. it will have to wait till I get my box set back (lent it to a friend), and 2. I'd have to a proper example of how to reference such things as this obviously being a model for other articles, you'd want that sort of thing right in a FA. Derekloffin (talk) 04:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Would you do it? Thanks so much! For precedent, just take a look at how other episode FAs like Through_the_Looking_Glass_(Lost)'s current ref #21. And please get the DVD as soon as possible; I have a feeling Sandy Georgia won't let the nomination last much longer unless we get the length thing figured out. Once again, thanks so much! --haha169 (talk) 05:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Finally got my discs back (stupid snow... but that's another story). Unfortunately, after relistening to it, although there is a lot of goodies there, there isn't too much that isn't way too specific.  I've added a few things in there (feel free to hack it to pieces).  I'll add a few things here that seemed too trivial, but stood out that may warrant inclusion:
 * As I mentioned before in another comment, the creator, specifically Bryan didn't like how the Lion Turtle turned out. It's a bit difficult to note exactly what he didn't like, but it sounds like he felt it ended up looking too flat.  Didn't feel this was good to mention precisely because he doesn't qualify the statement well and I'd be guessing.
 * Another bit they mention in the 1st episode commentary is the need to improve on the villain properties of Ozai because upto that point they felt it wasn't very menacing. This seems more like character info to me than production.
 * They mentioned that they used an all orchestrated music track this time out, rather than using midi. I'm not sure how note worthy that is though.
 * Lastly, Bryan seems to have been the primary story boarder for the Ozai vs Aang battle. Again, not sure that is very note worthy.Derekloffin (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Lion Turtle thing might be worth mentioning, especially because we already have a paragraph or two dedicated to the turtle. Do you think you can check over that section of the DVD again?
 * Music track is probably pretty important.
 * Even the last one can be added as: "Cocreators M and B both wrote and designed Sozin's Comet, but the primary story design was done by Bryan." or something similar. NuclearWarfare  <sup style="color:green;">contact me <sub style="color:purple;">My work  02:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't misunderstand on the last bit. I meant Bryan did the primary story boarding for that 1 fight, not the whole episode or such.  That's why I felt it was a bit too trivial to mention as I'm sure that happens a lot in production (splitting of tasks that is). Derekloffin (talk) 03:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The Kiss
Does anyone have the link to the agreement not to include "the kiss" between Aang and Katara in the plot? Thanks! Stextc (talk) 07:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See the section titled "Aang and Katara's relationship" above. - NuclearWarfare  <sup style="color:green;">contact me <sub style="color:purple;">My work  17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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Spoilers
There's no spoiler alert. Even worse, the second paragraph tells the very ending to the las part of the episode/movie, so it's a REALLY big spoiler. Shouldn't this have a warning/be moved further down with a warning? HuGo_87 (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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The word created when the water recedes
Do not revert this change. The surfacing earth clearly spells out the word 'Gay', and is most likely an easter egg included by the animators. Those who doubt this are free to view the described content themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.33.101 (talk) 23:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What? Link please. I have no idea what youre talking about and the googles dont either. 96.28.157.126 (talk) 16:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

"murder"
In a quote in the reception area, the phrase "murder" is used. However this is inappropriate; the correct term would be "homicide." From the wiki article on murder: "Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being with "malice aforethought", and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)" In the shows case, it would have been justifiable homicide had aang proceeded, not murder. I know it may seem kinda petty but I do think its important to note the difference. However, I didnt wish to remove or edit the quote, so I felt this was a good compromise. Being bold makes me nervous; so id be accepting of any dissent on the subject. 96.28.157.126 (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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