Talk:Space Jam: A New Legacy/Archive 1

Proper formatting
Because one specific IP keeps reverting it, just want to remind people of several guidelines and rules with film articles and their infoboxs, per wp:MOSFILM. These include: -linking the first appearance of a name, not second or third -the year of the film doesn’t get listed in the top of the lead until the film is released or premieres (as it could be delayed/moved up) -all of infobox should be listed the same (unbulleted, plainlist or none)

Cheers! TropicAces (talk) 01:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't see what you're saying about the release date in the MOS you linked. I read under WP:FILMLEAD: "At minimum, the opening sentence should identify the following elements: ... the year of its public release ...." which suggests to me that the planned year of release (if there is a reasonable prediction or statement in a reliable source) should be mentioned. As for the rest I generally agree: the infobox should either use bullets throughout or not, and the guideline you want for linking is WP:OVERLINK. @IP: I can't ping you because your IP address changes rapidly, but please participate in the discussion here and do not keep reverting. Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:13, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Composer
One guy keeps insisting Hans Zimmer is still on board as composer, when the article claimed he was "on tap." A later source says Kris Bowers is the composer, with no mention of Zimmer co-composing, with our article misinforming that Bowers is ANOTHER composer. With additional confirmation, the official website from Warner Bros. only states Bowers as the sole composer. I say we should fix the info. what do you think? Iamnoahflores (talk) 18:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Where are they?
Will the Nerdlucks appearing in this movie too?2A02:8388:A82:8800:445A:7933:AAC6:F949 (talk) 10:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2021
Insert "James" next to Kamiyah, Dom, Darius and Xosha. 2A00:23C5:1319:2500:4976:C4A4:E1B6:B522 (talk) 10:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary addition. Also the sources do not use the last name. James' onscreen family would be rounded out by Ceyair Wright as older son Darius, Harper Leigh Alexander as daughter Xosha, and Sonequa Martin-Green as wife Kamiyah. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2021
67.87.71.232 (talk) 13:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC) I need to change some stuff
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  EN  - Jungwon  14:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Voices of Taz and Road Runner
Earlier today between 16:38-16:40, Brian K. Tyler typed in the Voice Cast section that Jim Cummings will voice the Tazmanian Devil and Paul Julian will voice Road Runner in the movie. Later on, Acrystalguy said at 20:21 "It might be best to wait until official confirmation of the voice roles for certain characters, as it's unknown who will voice the Tasmanian Devil or Road Runner". Despite the fact that 1. At 16:38, Brian K. Tyler added in the notes "I actually found a confirmation of Jim Cummings' Twitter page that he's playing Taz for this movie" as well as the link at 16:40: "https://twitter.com/jimcummingsacme/status/1376600645906493442?s=21" and 2. Paul Julian has voiced the Road Runner since he and Wile E. Coyote's first cartoon until his death. And since then, archive recordings of Julian are used whenever Road Runner appears in all types of Looney Tunes media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:80:4620:787F:9028:56BB:C678 (talk) 01:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2021
Change $23.8 million to $21.8 million. Found in the second paragraph of the Filming subheading. The source is the same, but seems to have been transferred incorrectly. JustinGlen (talk) 22:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done WikiVirusC (talk) 22:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Reference
Could someone put this additional reference link in the Production/Filming section, please? https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/03/clockwork-orange-droogs-cameo-space-jam-sequel-trailer-pepe-le-pew/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.36.36.156 (talk) 23:28 (UTC)
 * Is there something that is in article that needs it for a citation? Additional reference isn't needed if it is already covered by another citation. Also new sections on talk pages typically go on bottom not the top. Please sign the end of your comments with  WikiVirusC (talk) 23:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Controversy section
The way the controversy section is written makes no sense grammatically. Wolf O&#39;Donnel (talk) 06:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Other voice actors
I would like you to invite other actors: Kevin Michael Richardson, Maurice LaMarche, Tom Kenny & Cree Summer in this sequel Maurifran76 (talk) 19:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Animation wrap
According to this source, the animation production wrapped on May 8th, 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.132.61.85 (talk) 17:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Pepe Le Pew and Speedy Gonzales
Should we mention that Cancel Culture has cancelled Pepe and Speedy and are trying to cancel this movie as well? --MerrieMelodian (talk) 22:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , they won't cancel the film, but if any characters are being removed/edited from this, then that can be added to the article provided that it has sourcing. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:12, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Pepe has been cancelled, but Speedy is still in the film. No way there would cut Gabriel Iglesias' whole performance from the film just because some say he is racist.  201.240.244.149 (talk) 02:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2021
Put the confirmation of the animation being wrapped up in the production section. https://comicbook.com/movies/news/space-jam-a-new-legacy-animator-reveals-production-has-wrapped/ 68.132.61.85 (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Per the instructions, ""Please change X" is not acceptable". If you want this to be added, then propose how we should do it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Trailer Release Date
The release trailer of Space Jam A New Legacy will come on Easter Saturday April 3rd, when the fans were talked about the trailer last month on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook.

The second trailer date will be on June 9th, or the 10th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.32.176 (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Live-action landmark
Let’s not forget that Space Jam: A New Legacy is the fourth Warner Animation Group film to feature live-action moments. The first three were the Lego Movie, the Lego Ninjago Movie, and the Lego Movie 2: the Second Part, so I figure that’s relevant enough to submit. Best cartoonist ever (talk) 12:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021
Add the Microsoft partnership challenge under the Marketing section ARandomInterwebGuy (talk) 18:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Animated or not
Watching the tailer for Space Jam: A New Legacy it seams to be more animated then first thought does anyone know if it is animted or live action animated the definition use on the highest grossing animated films page

Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 13:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless LeBron James turns into a cartoon for most of the movie, it's almost certainly live action/animated. Trivialist (talk) 22:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Novel should be included
I think the novel (not the comic) should be included in the "Merchandising" section. I can't really think of how to include it though. Scratchu90 (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2021
Please revert this edit, which introduces a claim tied to a faulty/bogus/unverifiable reference/source.

108.56.139.120 (talk) 23:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Living Concrete (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2021
Please remove the following fake/faulty/unverifiable source left by a disruptive editor:



– 108.56.139.120 (talk) 01:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, thank you! A S U K I T E  01:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2021 (2)
Can you add the full plot of the movie, please, now that it's out. 90.247.223.186 (talk) 12:02, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

--MerrieMelodian (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2021 (3)
Please change from "LeBron James as a fictionalized version himself" to either "LeBron James as his fictional self" or "LeBron James as a fictionalized version of himself" or "LeBron James as himself". 64.229.230.78 (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2021 (4)
change ref name premise to https://www.cbr.com/space-jam-2-synopsis-surfaces/100.38.8.182 (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Negative Reviews
It’s pretty clear the film is receiving negative reviews from critics, and a user even cited a review roundup consensus to support this claim (if cited aggregators and reviews in the article weren’t enough). A few select editors are constantly reverting this claim in the lead without explanation, likely because they’re a fan of the series and don’t like seeing it thrashed.

Can we get a consensus on the Talk to have the review summary in the lead worded/cited one way or another to avoid a full out edit war? Cheers. TropicAces (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry too much. Eventually, the interest in this movie will pass, and the article will be more stable. Till then, we can just deal with it. isento (talk) 16:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Release in the UK
This article does not talk about the film's release in the UK which was also on the 16th July. Quit42 (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Can you add the soundtracks too?
AcemiBalık (talk) 12:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Box Office results
Box Offce Mojo lists the film as making 112.7 Million in Mexico which is more than double the current Domestic total of 44.8 Million....Clearly this is a mistake. Box Office Mojo needs to be removed from the page and a more reliable source found. 172.58.107.88 (talk) 10:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

It's possible Box Office Mojo added an extra 1 and the actual total in Mexico is 12.7 Million. 172.58.107.88 (talk) 10:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Additional info to put into the article
Penelope Pussycat was present in the film's merchandising and advertising as part of the Tune Squad, but was nowhere to be seen in the finished movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBGKJV6E_QQ). I guess she was likely taken out due to Pepé Le Pew's removal.

Michael B. Jordan was invited to do his cameo appearance because he was visiting the set and hanging out with LeBron James. Malcolm D. Lee was interested in having Michael Jordan appear in a post-credits scene saying that he "took it very personal" after Bugs Bunny shows him the movie as a reference to The Last Dance, but the idea didn't materialize (https://ew.com/movies/space-jam-new-legacy-director-postmortem/).

Zendaya was called up by Ryan Coogler, whom she wanted to work with, to voice Lola Bunny and has been a fan of the original Space Jam to to her family having a basketball history and was surprised by the controversy surrounding Lola's new design (https://ew.com/movies/zendaya-space-jam-lola-bunny-interview/). Don Cheadle also revealed that he was interested in the project because being a MJ fan (https://ew.com/movies/space-jam-new-legacy-don-cheadle-interview/).

Joe Pytka has expressed a hatred towards this film ,prior and after its release, and his opinion should be put in the Critical response section (https://ew.com/article/2016/11/15/space-jam-20th-anniversary-joe-pytka/ and https://www.cbr.com/original-space-jam-director-rips-lebron-james-sequel/).

2001:1388:110:99BE:6478:DF7B:6017:B9BD (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2021
Can someone please remove Box Office Mojo as a source for the box office results there numbers seem impossible. They currently list over half of the box office gross (112.7 Million of 203.1 Million) as coming from Mexico. The Numbers probably list a more accurate gross for the film right now and that source is already on the page to. 172.58.107.88 (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Apparently Box Office Mojo updated the page and lowered the Mexico gross to just 5.6 Million and the Global gross to 118.6 Million so I'm removing my edit request. 172.58.107.88 (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2021
Please change worldwide gross from $125 million to $135.4 million and remove The Numbers reference link.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Space-Jam-A-New-Legacy

Alexpixar (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2021
Change worldwide gross from $137 million to $144.8 million.

96.55.159.6 (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2021
Thanks 2A00:23C5:F201:EA01:B5E1:750:CD4D:CCA5 (talk) 08:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 08:12, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Warner Bros. references
added about 8,000 bytes worth of information to the Warner Bros. references heading of the article. reverted the edit, indicating in an edit summary that it was overly detailed. Juli4ana 4gui4r then readded the information (albeit formatted differently). I agree with Ahecht per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, which states in part that Wikipedia not an indiscriminate collection of information and that merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.. I'm going to revert back per WP:BRD. We really shouldn't include an exhaustive list of what appears to be 200+ characters who made cameos in the movie. Juli4ana 4gui4r, is there any specific information that you think is really necessary to include in this heading? Please let us know here before re-adding this material back in. Thank you. Aoi (青い) (talk) 23:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

PAGE ]]) 23:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I may have been a bit snarky in my edit summary, but that list did include 9 Batman characters and I couldn't resist. While I appreciate the work that went into compiling this list and properly linking to all the characters, a list of 200+ characters that appeared briefly in the background of a movie isn't helpful in this context. I was tempted to just tag it with Overly detailed, but that template encourages moving to a stand-along list, and I just don't think the notability is there as there isn't really coverage of the group as a whole outside of the sorts of places that publish "100 hidden things you didn't notice" articles and videos every time a new movie comes out. This sort of information would be good to put on a Fandom Wiki (I haven't looked, but I assume there's one for Space Jam). --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK


 * I see you reverted back after these messages were posted. Would you mind participating in this discussion here? Aoi (青い) (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, I see you've made the list even longer. Again, would you please participate in this discussion here? Thank you. Aoi (青い) (talk) 00:37, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This has no place in the article. A sea of blue is disruptive to a reader, besides being trivia. Slywriter (talk) 03:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Lead changes
, I'm all for bold edits, but once it's been challenged, protocol calls for discussion first before restoring said edit (WP:BRD). Granted, I did introduce some new copy edits while restoring the fragment about critical reviews, which was meant to be directly faithful to Rotten Tomatoes' summary of the consensus, which is verified within the article. Now, what part of my recent edit is at issue and why? Piotr Jr. (talk) 16:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to focus any further on this article. But I hope you consider my reasoning. RT says the consensus among critics was And I believe my phrasing captures that. Piotr Jr. (talk) 07:55, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

First of all, none of the reviews (one of which is paywalled) I’ve read mention anything about meta-humor; second, other articles for films I’ve seen don’t use sentences like “critically the film was a failure,” they use phrases like “positive” or “negative reviews”. I figured that would have been the case here, considering that that edit was there when I first started editing the article. Also, articles I’ve seen tend to avoid using words like “mock”. TheVHSArtist (talk) 11:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Awards are defined as prizes given in honor of an achievement. Mock awards like the Raspberries don't honor but mock. Piotr Jr. (talk) 12:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Voice of Daffy
I watched the trailer and heard Jeff Bergman's voice as Daffy. I could tell from the speech pattern. XSMan2016 (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to provide citation, not original research. BOVINEBOY 2008 17:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I thought it was Jeff at first too, but the more I heard him, I was actually able to hear Eric as Daffy. Plus he confirmed it himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:195:C200:2660:E9DB:1915:5C61:5C9F (talk) 16:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2022
To Link Space Jam: A New Legacy (soundtrack) into the Space Jam: A New Legacy section and also to exclude the infobox, ratings and tracklist in that section as it is featured in that separate article. 122.173.38.42 (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done image moved as well with updated fairuse rationale. WikiVirusC (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Spelling
It's toon, as in cartoon, not tune. 2605:EF80:80A9:8991:0:0:1067:1D45 (talk) 22:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)