Talk:Space Pilot 3000

Merger
Go for it. JQF 19:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

.3 years
.3 years is no where even close to 7 hours.

0.3 years * 365 days/year *24 Hours/day= 2628 hours.

now, there is a a difference of .3 days over the course of 1000 years,

1000*(363.2425-365.2422)=.3 days

which .3 days does eqaul 7 hours roughly

.3 days *24hours/day= 7.2 hours.

Barcode 22:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Futurama, really, but it's discussion... I had the same time problem occurr once in Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Though the game claims you travel exactly seven years forward in time when you enter the temple, it was midnight when I entered and noon when I came back out. 65.95.157.80 05:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please remember this is only for discussion of the article in question, not just general discussion. Stardust8212 14:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong name in infobox
The infobox on the right says "The Simpsons season xxx" on all Futurama Epsiode articles. I'd change it, but I don't know where it is. Anyone? --Damsleth 09:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek Reference
Would it be appropriate to add to the Star Trek reference that Fry thinks his job will include 'fighting monsters and teaching alien women how to love' (not sure if that is the exact quote, would need to check) this is similar to many parody plots of ST:TOS episodes. Stardust8212 02:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Nibbler's Shadow
"Before Fry falls into the freezer, a scene shows a strange shadow cast on the wall behind him. It is revealed in "The Why of Fry" that the shadow belongs to Nibbler, who intentionally pushes Fry into the freezer as part of a complex plan. This is proof that the creators of the series always had the idea of Nibbler's importance from the very beginning." "Just as Fry falls backwards into the freezer, we see a seemingly pointless shot of the wall. Upon further inspection, however, a mysterious shadow shaped exactly like Nibbler can be seen. This supports the assertion made in "The Why of Fry" that Nibbler pushed Fry into the freezer."
 * Does this same fact really need to be listed in Trivia and Foreshadowing?

I thought they added this is on the dvd release after they made the why of fry episode. Just to make it look like foreshadwing, when it wasnt thought that far ahead
 * So do I. I never saw it in the actual episode on TV. (While it was impossible to miss in "the why of fry") Simpsonary 23:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * When I watched an VHS recording of the first run of the first episode I noticed that there was no shadow.128.194.8.182 03:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I just checked into this, and there is in fact a shadow that does resemble Nibbler, on the frame showing the bottom of the chair (around 1:51 if you have the dvd on hand):
 * Nibbler's Shadow


 * Redterror117 (talk) 05:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Useless Trivia Nonsense removed
I removed the following text from the article:

"The countdown scene at the beginning of the episode is an impossible event because the countries shown are in different time zones; however, each individual country's countdown could just be shown as they happened that night, not necessarily occurring at the exact same moment around the entire world."

I think there are two authors at work here, and the first does not believe in suspension of disbelief. Mitch 01:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Abuse of WP:V
I note that most of the "reference" statements in this article are NOT properly referenced, and IMHO, could not be. The same goes for the statements in "references" and "trivia" in all of other episodes of Futurama, a series which is heavily ladded with allusion, but poorly documented to be so, in the (shall we say) academic published literature. Mostly these things represent similarities which struck one viewer, which might or might not find correspondance to something some other fan said on the net in a blog, but almost none of which would likely find reference to Groening, or an author of the script who explicitly said somewhere that he did something explicitly in homage to "X" in pop culture. For example, episode "Raging Bender" contains a mini-parody of Mystery Science Theater 3000, a show the writers were surely aware of. However, this has been noted only in blogs in the web, and AFAIK has not made it into the academic literature or the DVD commentary. Does it violate WP:V to note it, unreferenced? Of course, but there it is (in the references of this episode). The pilot series title Space Pilot 3000 is printed on a planet, in the same style and font as the planet logo of Mystery Science Theater 3000 (this has been noted in fan blogs as well). Having no title external reference, would make this episode one of the very few episodes of Futurama that don't have one. May we note that it may be to Mystery Science Theater 3000, a show that had wisecracking girder-bending robots as characters, long before Futurama was a gleam in Groening's eye? One editor objects, on on the basis of WP:V. I say, considering context and the rest of the content of these articles, this is Wikilawyering, using strict interpretations of WP policies when they happen to agree with your viewpoint, but not otherwise. Oh, stop. S B Harris 16:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"A Million Years"
Fry's statement that he was frozen for a million years when it was actually only a thousand years has been listed and reverted (usually by me) multiple times in the last couple months. It seems obvious to me that this is meant to be a joke and is not a goof but I thought that since it seems to be me vs the masses I'd bring it up here. Should this line be discussed on the page? The most recent revert someone had added a note that this was probably meant as a joke, which is true but in that case why does it need to be on the page? If we explained every joke they make in this show then we might as well be transcribing the thing. Just looking to get some opinions here and didn't want people to think I was trying to own the article. If most people think this is really worthwhile to put in the article I go along with it, I'd just like to know why it keeps reappearing. Stardust8212 15:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll back you up on this one. We shouldn't have to explain every single joke, and the "million years" bit is a very, very obvious joke at Fry's expense.


 * I'd be happy to revert such edits as well, if you didn't always beat me to them. :-P EVula 16:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Leela's parents in Old New York
I keep watching the bit when they're all in Old New York, I can't see Leela's parents anywhere. Are they realy actualy there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.78.178.241 (talk • contribs).

Whoever added that may have been mixed up with the episode I Second that Emotion, when they were seen in the crowd scene, though never actually pointed out. No one was seen in Old New York anyway, and they live in the sewers, not Old New York. Swanny 03:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Bender's need to drink
In the Trivia section, it says "During the bar scene, Bender proclaims "I don't need to drink", when, in the Futurama future all robots require some kind of alcoholic beverage as their fuel." However, in a later episode, "Hell is Other Robots," Bender opts to give up alcohol and drink mineral oil, so it is possible for them to survive without alcohol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EKUColonel (talk • contribs) 07:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

"Groening-esque" overbite
The articles says "The Planet Express spaceship has the same "Groening-esque" overbite as all of Groening's characters from The Simpsons, Futurama, and his comic strip "Life in Hell".".

What does it mean? What is an overbite? Simpsonary 23:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Overbite Malocclusion. Undershot jaw and upper-lip too big, with an overhang. Real people don't look like Groening characters... S  B Harris 01:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny. I recall that when I first saw futurama, I noticed immediately that the characters share the weird look of the simpsons characters. Yet after watching futurama and simpsons so many times, I couldn't even pinpoint their deformity. Simpsonary 12:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Joe Pesci
Is it just me or does the guy who steals Fry's bike on Dec. 31st 1999 sound an afwul lot like Joe Pesci? - Jigsy 19:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Work towards good article
I am going to try and improve this article to get it up to good article standards. We need some information about the fact it was the pilot episode, some critical responses to it and other non-'in universe' information. And it needs a serious culling of 'cultural influences' and goofs (i've done some of the goofs already.-Localzuk(talk) 14:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Something from the IGN article could be mentioned (link). The episode was ranked #14 and it mentions the appearance of Easter Egss not revealed until later in the series. I'd love to see this get up to GA, let me know if I can help in any way. Stardust8212 15:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Just so I can find them again, some external reviews  -Localzuk(talk) 15:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Forshadowing section
This section appears to consist solely of synthesis and is therefore against the rules regarding original research. That is unless someone got these snippets from a reliable source, such as DVD commentary, review etc? If so, can they be sourced please? If not, I'll move them onto this talk page until they can be sourced.-Localzuk(talk) 20:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Pre-influences?
I'm not quite clear on what the pre-influences section is supposed to be as compared to the "other cultural references" section. I've left it alone since Localzuk said he was going to work on the article but I think if its going to remain a separate section then it needs a more descriptive title or some sort of text explaining why these are particularly significant. I'm going to go ahead with my work as described at the wikiproject for now and possibly attack that issue later, once I understand exactly what is going on. Stardust8212 00:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Goofs
At the beginning of the episode, we see through the window of the room that houses Fry's cryonic chamber, a changing New York City. However, later in the episode, it is revealved that "New York City" is now literally underground, "New New York City" resting atop it.

Although it is conceivable that technology eventually permitted the sustenance of life of people's heads, it is strange that the heads of people who were dead long before the inception of this technology (e.g., that of George Washington) are also shown in jars.

(Commando303)

Cultural references
As I recently brought up at the wikiproject (here) it is time we did something about the cultural references sections. I am moving all unsourced references to the talk pages for the time being in hopes of creating a better, more thoroughly sourced article. Please discuss this action at the wikiproject link above so as not to split it over 72 different talk pages. The information removed from the article follows. Stardust8212 01:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Cultural references

 * On the shelf behind which Fry and Bender attempt to hide in the Head Museum are the heads of Johnny Carson, Gillian Anderson, David Duchovny, Elizabeth Taylor, Dennis Rodman, Futurama creator Matt Groening and Barbra Streisand.
 * The full poster title of the episode (Futurama Space Pilot 3000) and the poster red/yellow lettering are suggestive of Mystery Science Theater 3000, of which Groening was known to be a fan. In one sequence, the moon is shown to be decorated with the numbers "3000", also an allusion to the logo of Mystery Science Theater 3000 (see illustration).
 * The plot of the episode is loosely based on the satirical novel Immortality, Inc..
 * Fry is playing a video game called "Monkey Fracas Jr." at the pizza place, narrating it as he plays. The game starts out as a space shooter similar to Asteroids and/or Defender, then approaches a Saturn-like planet at the end of the level.  At that point, the planet breaks in half, and an ape resembling Donkey Kong emerges. The ape throws barrels at the spaceship and destroys it.  The game's name itself is a parody of Donkey Kong Jr. Also, the ship Fry is controlling resembles a pixelated version of the Planet Express Ship.
 * Fry's narration is a parody of the opening narration that appeared in both Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The Next Generation. "Space; The Final Frontier..." becomes "Space; It seems to go on and on forever...". Fry's narration is preceded by the Star Trek theme song.
 * When Fry walks out of the lab, an ad on a taxi behind him reads "Got protoplasm?", a reference to the series of "Got Milk?" advertising slogans.
 * Above streets of New New York, when Fry steps out of the cryonics facility, there is a billboard for Angelyne, who is essentially famous for having billboards of herself along Hollywood Blvd. since the 1980's. In the Futurama billboard, Angelyne still looks the same, but is breathing through a mask hooked up to an oxygen tank.
 * The woman feeding what appears to be fish food to the head of Leonard Nimoy is wearing the typical uniform of an employee of Hot Dog on a Stick.
 * When Fry knocks over Nixon's head, he says "You just made my list", a reference to his Enemies List.
 * When the police pound on the door of Planet Express, a brick drops out of Bender. This is a reference to the colorful colloquialism "shitting bricks."
 * The Planet Express Ship's dogged launch is reminiscent of the Millennium Falcon's from the Star Wars film series.
 * About thirty seconds into the episode, a sign for a bar in the town is labeled "Akbar", a reference to Akbar and Jeff from Matt Groening's comic strip Life In Hell.
 * The Dianoga creature from Star Wars appears.
 * After Leela assigns Fry the career chip, and fry begs "please anything else" Leela points to a poster of an atypical union worker and the slogan "you gotta do what you gotta do", a reference to the World War II American propaganda poster of Rosie the Riveter in which a strong female factory worker can be seen alongside the slogan "We Can Do It!"

May I add one: in the head museum, in the very short sequence where Fry backs away from Leela and knocks Nixon's head off the shelf, there are two identical heads of Grover Cleveland. This is a reference to Cleveland's status as the only president to ever serve two non-consecutive terms. Worth adding? Kasreyn 07:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? If yes, go for it. If no, then I wouldn't recommend it. Stardust8212 01:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. How do I cite the episode?  Kasreyn 03:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant a secondary source, not a primary source. Stardust8212 13:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, there are DEFINITELY two Clevelands, one below Andrew Jackson and one below Gerald Ford, and straddling Benjamin Harrison. I can't think of another reason for this apart from the fact that he's the only president to serve two non-consecutive terms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.171.178 (talk) 23:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. And the two terms straddle that of Harrison. I think this is an obscure reference to Twain's joke that in Europe he was shown two skull relics of Christopher Columbus: one as a child, one as a man... S  B Harris 02:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

More info being removed from main article
It was suggested in the peer review that the extraneous lists at the end of the article were holding it back from being a good article. I agree with them so for now I am moving these lists to the talk page. If someone can find a better way to integrate these into the article then please do. Stardust8212 02:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Characters
Characters who first appear in this episode are:
 * Philip J. Fry
 * Mr. Panucci
 * Michelle
 * Turanga Leela
 * Terry
 * Bender
 * URL
 * Smitty
 * Richard Nixon's Head
 * Professor Hubert Farnsworth
 * Leonard Nimoy's Head
 * Nibbler (shadow only)
 * Matt Groening (seen in Head Museum only)

Professor Farnsworth's inventions
Professor Farnsworth's inventions in this episode are:
 * The Relative Box

Future products
Future products which appear in this episode are:
 * Slurm
 * Bachelor Chow
 * Olde Fortran Malt Liquor
 * Def-Con Owl Traps
 * Smart Sausage

Future gadgets
Future gadgets which appear in this episode are:
 * The Probulator
 * Suicide Booth
 * Career Chips
 * Police 'Lightsaber' Batons

Alien language messages

 * As Bender and Fry escape from the head museum, shortly before entering the remains of Old New York a scrawling on the wall reads "Venusians Go Home" in Alien Language 1.
 * In the opening title sequence there is a sign in Alien Language 1, which translates "3D RULEZ!" and one that translates "TASTY HUMAN BURGERS"

Good article nomination on hold
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of November 5, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: Article is well written, in clear understandable language. Passes here.
 * 2. Factually accurate?: (11) good sources, cites formatted appropriately. Passes here.
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: Please expand the Lead/Intro paragraph, with at least one sentence per subsection, summarizing each of the below subsections. Also, please try to address some of the points from your last Peer Review, specifically, from the Automated Peer Review, Peer_review/Automated/September_2007.  These are good points, and please make it easier to note by copying those you address, and commenting on how you addressed each point, either here below or back on the Peer Review page.
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: Article is written in neutral language. Passes here.
 * 5. Article stability? No incivility on talk page, minor worries = contributions from new editors that were reverted (probably rightfully so, simply because they added unsourced info and too much plot detail) and some troublesome anon ip edits. Just keep an eye on this, and if something gets reverted of note, you may want to post an explanation on the talk page when you do so.  Passes at this time.
 * 6. Images?: 3 tasteful images, fair use, fair use rationale on image pages. Passes here.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.— Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 11:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please message me on my talk page when the above has been addressed, and I won't hesitate to pass the article as a GA. Overall, great work on the article !  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 11:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC).
 * 3 - Responses to peer review items (diff):
 * Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
 * Added a second paragraph with a brief overview, I’m not very good at summarizing but I’ll ask some other interested editors to have a look as well.
 * Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.[?]
 * Corrected one in plot section
 * As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.[?]
 * Corrected two in plot section
 * Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
 * While additive terms like “also”, “in addition”, “additionally”, “moreover”, and “furthermore” may sometimes be useful, overusing them when they aren't necessary can instead detract from the brilliancy of the article. This article has 8 additive terms, a bit too much.
 * Did a read through and tried to fix a few of these as well, hopefully they are reduced/improved
 * As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2][?]
 * I believe all of these have already been fixed, apologies if I missed any.
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]
 * Well, I've done my best. I'll depend on others to find my poor grammar.
 * 5 - I'm trying to work to WP:EPISODE's 10 words per minute ideal length, I did message the user on his talk page but I'll bring it to attention here if it becomes an issue.
 * I'll leave this for a few others to proofread and then message you, thanks for the quick response with the review. Stardust8212 17:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Passing as GA
I am going to pass this as a WP:GA. Great work! I will go ahead and fix the headers at the top of the talk page, and list the article. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 05:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC).

Episode review
This episode, along with all other episodes from season one, is being reviewed to determine whether it currently satisfies Wikipedia's various policies in guidelines. All editors are welcome and encouraged to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Futurama/Season 1 review. Stardust8212 18:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

FoxTrot reference?
It's kinda silly, and it's probably nothing, but as Bender and Fry first look out over old New York, a lizard walks up a pipe at the front of the screen. The lizard looks like Jason Fox's pet iguana, Quincy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.171.178 (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Free on Tuesdays
Not sure where to mention this in the article, but I've calculated that December 31st, 2999 really is a Tuesday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.255.77 (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

belongs in continuity section? or maybe a new "discontinuity" section?
The one thing I was going to add is that when Bender and Fry are trapped (temporarily) in the room with bars on the window, in order to escape the bars are bent by Bender, then miraculously straighten when the "camera angle" changes, then revert to being bent for their escape. I don't know of any at the moment, but there may be more continuity errors/discontinuities; it's just the one thing which, I don't know why, I remember fairly well about that episode. Having read snpp.com, such minor errors occasionally creep into "The Simpsons," so it's no surprise there might be some in "Futurama" as well.

I notice that section is more about continuity throughout the whole "Futurama" series. What does the Wikipedia community think? Should there be a mention of the bars slip-up? Or is that too trivial to include here? -- Joe (talk) 01:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Continuity I believe is more about how a single story fits in with the series overall. Minor technical errors are pretty trivial concerns, unless they attract attention from reliable, third party sources. WikiuserNI (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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