Talk:Space Siege

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PC Gamer US - September 2007 has full cover story. Not on newsstands as of yet. Userpietalk to me! 01:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Edits re: Modding site reverted
I am sorry I posted to a user talk page on my first post.

I am new to wikipedi. Here is a copy of my post:

Please stop removing my additions.

Modding as been an essential part of the Dungeon Siege community, It is the reason for the extended life span of the game.

It was announced in the recent issue of PC Gamer that Space Siege will be using a modified Dungeon Siege 2 engine therefore we have enough info to start modding discussions.

Modding disscussions are relevant to Space Siege and www.spacesiege.net is a site run by an experienced Dungeon Siege modder. It is NOTABLE as the first modding site. Just as Space Siege is only being announced on this page for now (as there is not an official release of the game). www.spacesiege.net is only being announced on this page. Public discussions will not start until an official release of the game. Screenshots of modding progress will be provided as the game progresses through beta testing.

This info has as much right here as the mods and links section on the Dungeon Siege page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Siege which includes links to modding and fan sites. (such as Planet Dungeon Siege)

It is a part of the DS community and will be a part of the Space Siege community. You can see discussions on the sega forum here.

http://boards2.sega.com/sega_board/viewforum.php?f=56&sid=ecc251984f8acfafb220ecdfcc0d57a6

The most popular topic is a PvP/Modding topic.

Thank you for your time :) Sottonull 01:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Sottonull, glad you added a comment to the chat page. The reason you have been having some difficulty keeping your additions to the Space Siege page present is because of a few rules of thumb Wikipedia users follow when evaluating changes. The key bit here is the idea of "notability." What this means is that users look at added comment, such as links to webpages, and ask "is the added information notable in the context of the article's topic?" The reason you have seen your additions reverted is becuase users such as myself don't see any indication that your website is a notable example of modding for Space Siege. This is because of a couple reasons. The first is that Space Siege is not yet a game. It is only an announced project, for which a game does not yet exist. So, this creates a problem with your addition: there is no Space Siege, so by definition, so to speak, there can be no mod sites related to it - there is nothing to mod, because there is not yet any game to mod. The second problem, related to the first, is that because there is no game to mod, and no modding to be done, your website is, again by definition, not a mod site. It is, instead, a single web page indicating an *intention* to have a mod site. Merely expressing a hope to have a mod site in a year or two's time, when the game comes out, isn't enough to warrant an addition on the article page. While all readers interested in Space Siege of course wish you the best of luck with your potential future site when the game is released, at present there is nothing notable contained in your site because there *cant* be anything notable there - the game doesnt exist yet! :)
 * Its important to think of wikipedia as, literally, an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia tries to summarize information about a topic, and provide some notable "good examples" of further information. Not *all* examples, but instead the cream of the crop. Because Space Siege doesn't yet exist, there cant really be any "good examples" of a mod site related to it yet. We all certainly hope your mod site does well when the game is released, but until then, a website that simply states an intention to have a mod site in the future does not hit the threshold of notability or importance to warrant listing on the article page. Wikipedia is not intended to be a place to advertise, so to speak, people's own work - and it's this that has led people, such as myself, to remove your link for the time being until the game comes out, and it becomes clear what webpages related to the game, once released, represent the "cream of the crop" of sites that an interested reader might want to get more information from. So! Lets hold off on adding your site for now, and wait for the game to come out, and the army of modders to get cracking. Once that happens, then you can submit your site's information, and see if other wikipedians feel it to be a representative and notable source that warrants addition to the article page. Dxco 05:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Its important to think of wikipedia as, literally, an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia tries to summarize information about a topic, and provide some notable "good examples" of further information. Not *all* examples, but instead the cream of the crop. Because Space Siege doesn't yet exist, there cant really be any "good examples" of a mod site related to it yet. We all certainly hope your mod site does well when the game is released, but until then, a website that simply states an intention to have a mod site in the future does not hit the threshold of notability or importance to warrant listing on the article page. Wikipedia is not intended to be a place to advertise, so to speak, people's own work - and it's this that has led people, such as myself, to remove your link for the time being until the game comes out, and it becomes clear what webpages related to the game, once released, represent the "cream of the crop" of sites that an interested reader might want to get more information from. So! Lets hold off on adding your site for now, and wait for the game to come out, and the army of modders to get cracking. Once that happens, then you can submit your site's information, and see if other wikipedians feel it to be a representative and notable source that warrants addition to the article page. Dxco 05:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concerns as there is not a release of the engine as of yet. It has been annouced that Space Siege will be using a modified DS2 engine. This is a very notable point in the Space Siege lifespan. It gives the modding community plenty to work with.

I will wait until I have my first MOD in hand before re-posting the www.spacesiege.net link in the article section. However it is likely to be before an official game release as I will be working through beta.

Thank you for taking the time to reply

Sottonull 10:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Unnecessary spoiler
Is it really necessary to have such a big spoiler in the introductory section of the article (before the Contents)? As someone who hasn't played the game, it seems to give away something quite significant (about the late advantage of the "pure path"). Could someone who knows the game well redraft this section to be less explicit about this? I don't know if there's a Wikipedia policy I can link to, but in general articles about games/films/etc. should not contain spoilers (at least, not without plenty of warning). 212.85.13.114 (talk) 12:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)