Talk:Spaghetti Monster Orthodoxy

Since the spaghetti monster seeks to expose ludicrous usage of religion in debate, the orthodoxy page serves a very significant critical purpose.
 * I restored the speedy deletion tag on the article, and agree more or less with the nomination (although not "patent nonsense" per the nomination, I would delete as a hoax or the very least, a non-notable group/sect). Wikipedia is not the place for a satire article, which this appears to be.  There is no requirement that Wikipedia represent every person on the planet and their religious views.  I think this is desperately point of view, unverifiable, and soapboxing.  Delete with all possible speed. --Hansnesse 07:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article should be deleted for the reason you've stated, but it is not a candidate for CSD G1 and should not be tagged as such. I've taken the liberty of replacing the speedy with a more accurate tag to reflect your post. --Muchness 07:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have written a note to the speedy nominator to get his/her views. I am happy to let this go though regular deletion channels.  --Hansnesse 07:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Free Speech & Religion
Even if there is only one orthodox spaghetti monstroist on the planet and even if his or her faith's sincerity is in question it still should be established that this person's "belief and tenets must be respected". Yes following the article quoted in this entry, it all holds together. Even if the author of this article is not him/herself orthodox or even a follower of the spaghetti monster the possible existance of such a religion is grounds enough for the respect this religion should be egigible to receive, and hence a wikipedia entry on this subject could be a vital contribution to the debate on the sense and nonsense around using a religious discourse in a scientific and/or legal debate.


 * How FSM works: Create a completely silly "religion". Show how the reasoning behind the silly "religion" and the reasoning behind ID are very similar. Thereby show that the reasoning behind ID can "prove" the silly "religion", hence showing the reasoning is suspect.


 * It is the very *point* of FSM to be silly. If it is non-silly then the comparison of ID and obvious silliness disappear.


 * Please do not undermine the very purpose of FSM by pretending it is somehow serious.


 * If you wish to expand on the silliness by all means please do so, but not on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a hosting service for that. Wikipedia is about reality; A person should be able to come here and find out the reality behind FSM. Weregerbil 14:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the deity of a parody religion founded ... to protest against the decision by the Kansas State Board of Education....
 * That's the first line of the Spaghetti_Monster i.e. the FSM serves a political purpose and hence an orthodoxy would be an equally silly derived creed serving a different political purpose. So the pupose of the "silly" FSM is very serious. Anyway all that's just academic; the one critical and justifiable point for removal is the fact that there aren't any references to a FSM orthodoxy outside of these pages. Wikimam 20:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Who will eventually say
''I restored the speedy deletion tag on the article, and agree more or less with the nomination (although not "patent nonsense" per the nomination, I would delete as a hoax or the very least, a non-notable group/sect). Wikipedia is not the place for a satire article, which this appears to be. There is no requirement that Wikipedia represent every person on the planet and their religious views. I think this is desperately point of view, unverifiable, and soapboxing. Delete with all possible speed. --Hansnesse 07:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)''

Perhaps you are right in your assessment that at this particular point in time the article presented is satire and as such not fit for publication on the wikipedia; i.e. there is not a single link to any external information substantiating the existance of an orthodox communinity. And yet one may speculate; suppose if there is a widely held belief in a native american community of the 17th century, a belief that was expressed in oral tradition only, a belief that had lost all but one believer once recording devices were introduced to the relevant communities; if then that belief would somehow need to be excluded from the sum of human knowledge and consideration because it might be unverifiable. A very valid view held only by the last of the mohicans might have been edited out and lost forever. As someone on whom the powers of deleting new content have been bestowed that should always remain a consideration. But in this case I would almost concede that the point represented were a hoax were it not for the fact that it so closely resembles actual current human affairs and emotions and does a hell of a job exposing them.

Any evidence can be found
Forsaking the commandment forbidding idolatry, a lump of noodles and meatballs is being worshipped and praised across the web...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22spaghetti+monster%22++idolatry&btnG=Search

Naturally any evidence can be found to construct "pior art" around the precepts of the orthodox spaghetti monster faith if one cares enough about finding it. Ie there is no liturgy around the orthodoxy in as much as the orthodox view is perhaps as satirical as the commonly held 'spaghetti monster faith' and perhaps both only serve to make a political point.

But I do believe that if the editors concede this point they invite unending pollution to the Wikipedia and I for one certainly would not advocate that. Still all things considered it would be such a waste if all this effort from both sides were to be erased forever.javascript:insertTags