Talk:Spalding War Memorial

Gallery of memorial plans
Some of the original proposals by Lutyens for this memorial, from The Building News and Engineering Journal (volume 118, 1920):

Carcharoth (talk) 12:45, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

WW2 memorial
The most recent news stories about the WW2 memorial (not yet erected) are here and here. Slight tangent: this article says "Coun[cillor] Worth believes the memorial is owned by Ayscoughfee Hall and Gardens Trust." This may contradict the IWM Memorials Register, which claims the custodians are South Holland District Council. Carcharoth (talk) 18:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd seen the first two and I'm debating how and whether to include them. The third looks like a cash-strapped local council trying to shirk its responsibilities; the memorial was built under the auspices of Spalding UDC, to which SHDC is the successor so I'd want something more conclusive than a passing comment to the local rag. Either way, it's not really a crucial detail. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  19:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Am confused now. The article you have used as a reference (this one) states that the Royal British Legion plans are "four tablets will be installed on a lean". I get the impression this has not actually happened yet. Is the other scheme something completely separate, or a modified version of this plan? Sounds as complicated as it was back in the early 1920s! Though journalism standards seem to have fallen since then, if only with the spelling in that headline: 'commerorated'. That is not even a word! Surely that can be silently corrected to 'commemorated' (the spelling used in the first sentence of the article)? Carcharoth (talk) 21:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm confused as well. There seem to be various proposals for WWII commemorations and the local press aren't being consistent in their reporting (such is the problem with local journalism these days; most of the papers are owned by big conglomerates and work on tiny margins). If or when there are consistent reports from more than one source of something actually being built, I'll look at including it but until then I think it's right to focus on the original WWI memorial. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * On balance, I agree. When something actually gets built, the sources should be able to get it right at that point. It is a pity the records of when and who made the WW2 addition to the Stone of Remembrance appear not to be available, but you can't have everything. Carcharoth (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This is the trouble. The town is a little off the beaten track and in terms of Lutyens' work, so is the war memorial, which means sourcing is not as easy as it is for big memorials in major cities (though I suspect I'll have the opposite problem when I eventually get to the Cenotaph!). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  18:55, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * A fair amount has been done on the Whitehall Cenotaph article already, but yeah, a long and reasonably well-documented history there. Carcharoth (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Western Front cemeteries with Tuscan shelters
The cemeteries listed by Guerst in Cemeteries of the Great War by Sir Edwin Lutyens (2010) are: The latter two are not Lutyens cemeteries, but Guerst says that the influence might have comes through Goldsmith (George Hartley Goldsmith), who was the assistant architect in France. Not sure if these cemeteries are geographically close or not. Carcharoth (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Anneux British Cemetery CWGC page, image
 * H.A.C. Cemetery CWGC page (see 1st and 3rd photos)
 * Daours Communal Cemetery Extension CWGC page (see 1st photo)
 * Combles Communal Cemetery Extension CWGC page (see 1st photo)
 * Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery CWGC page (see 2nd photo) image

Groupings of names
The names on the wall are in alphabetical order by surname outside the flags, but between them, at the bottom, are other names that form their own order. Why is this? --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 16:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Could be names that were previously missed, and so were added later. It's not particularly unusual to see that sort of thing. Nick Cooper (talk) 20:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Very likely these are the 24 additional names uncovered by the Royal British Legion and added in 2014. HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 08:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)