Talk:Spamming/Archive 2

Philosophical questions or Advocacy?
67.194.67.71 added a large section entitled "Philosophical questions" which, while insightful in some ways, is phrased as a piece of advocacy. (See this diff.) I have incorporated some of the concerns expressed into the page in a more neutral form. I invite additions to the "political" section by those who can more clearly express these concerns.

As for the question of the page being too strong of a stand against spam -- in my experience there are precious few arguments for spamming. Spammers usually claim not to be doing anything wrong, but they don't exactly claim to be doing anything right. Email spamming is not after all a sustainable practice; unchecked, it renders email unusable, thereby destroying the very resource it is parasitical upon. --FOo

That's not entirely true because before the US government passed spam related laws, few legitimate businesses sent out spam. But once the government said that some spam is legal if certain rules are followed, companies started taking the position that they are doing something right. Hagrinas (talk)


 * That's not my experience. It is my experience (opinion) that SPAM started on listserves and grew as the internet medium grew. The internet became so overburdened with advertising spam that laws were needed to control it. Before internet laws, my inbox got so cluttered with spam that I had to abandon several accounts. You will need more proof than your opinion. Please cite a legitimate source for your claim. --Corjay (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

AOL Shocking Statement in TV advertisement
In a television advertisement, AOL has publicized that some Spam carries viruses, and even has the means to effect identity theft. The spammers using spam as a weapon hope that, you the user, open it, only to have a virus destroy your hard drive, mess up your programming, software, comandeer it to continue their attacks, and even steal your identity to effect other crimes, while you, on the other hand, pay for these crimes committed by the spammer, his/her allies, even end up in prison for what these criminals have done. Try to imagine having YOUR identity taken and used for criminal activities. This happened to one of my family members. Took awhile to clean up the mess generated by the thieves. -anon. (cleanup: Elvey)


 * Please provide a link. --Corjay (talk) 23:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Expanded
Expanded the links and added some structure for others to build on. Or me, later. Will probably evolve into some sort of practical tools page eventually but this is as good a place to start as any. JamesDay

Wiki spam
Wiki spam isn't mentioned, I guess because the structure of this page dates from before it was significant. It is treated as a subsection of blog spam.

Maybe things should be reorganised to reflect two kinds of spam on the net, "traditional" spam and spam that doesn't target the user but just aims at boosting the pagerank (But which is still called spam)

I see things this way :

Spamming in different media E-mail spam Messaging spam Newsgroup spam Mobile phone spam Internet telephony spam

Search engine spam (or pagerank maximizing ?) Spamdexing (search engine spam) Blog spam Wiki Spam

Or better, Spam targeting users, and Spam targeting search engines

Hmm. I guess I may as well go make the modification right away. I'm not sure if it's the proper etiquette, but it sure beats saying something should be done and then going off to bed :)

New Study
Ya'all might want to add stuff from here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4432231.stm

02:54, 28 November 2005 Tinykohls
Rolled this back - while it was interesting, it was covered in the above section on IM spam.

paper about stopping spam
Click Trajectories: End-to-End Analysis of the Spam Value Chain

IS a new paper that shows the banks can stop Spam in the same way they stop US citizens gambling. Maybe it can be added into the article?

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:IkI-FbZWbJMJ:cseweb.ucsd.edu/~savage/papers/Oakland11.pdf+Click+Trajectories:+End-to-End+Analysis+of+the+Spam+Value+Chain&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESilxumtmiR425zJWfyQn8p7kexwU343PhiT7i2XG3Gohjbk8rliHj6HMChKXblTk3ActGalKPt-ThRigsyOGw5Cj49b8bwxFPmYCGHUNNZ1iEPRf_lXMIaC0j_7Cig4TGfBeYLb&sig=AHIEtbR65LVsWbG5OACmGPxzMZTXPckQcg

gives a quick view

Propose merging Spambot into Spamming
Much of the information on Spambot is duplicated here, and lacks citations there. I don't see a good reason to have a separate page for something that can be easily and briefly explained here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert the Devil (talk • contribs) 22:32, 9 November 2015
 * Oppose Spambot is a valid narrowing of the topic with enough written on it to sustain a separate article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't see there would be much benefit. It's likely spambot would be able to be expanded, if not now then in the future. Johnuniq (talk) 01:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose Revising Spambot to minimize overlap (if any) would be far more efficient than increasing the size of an already large article. B1naryatr0phy (talk) 15:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Methods which spammers use to catch user data
In this article there is no information about methods which potentially can be used by spammers. I wish to add links to Parsing and Speech recognition pages. That technologies can be used by spammers. End user must know more about the root of the problem for warning purpuses. RippleSax (talk) 13:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you can find WP:RELIABLE SOURCES to support this, then go for it.
 * Personally I can't see the relevance. Neither have any substantial relationship to "spamming" or "how spammers steal your soul / personal data / email address". If you do add links they will have to be sourced and they will have to give some context about how they're related to spam, not just be stuck as bare links in a See also or saying "spammers use parsers". Viam Ferream (talk) 15:53, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting paper. Cognitive basis is allways morse-related metric. RippleSax (talk) 22:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That paper has no relevance whatsoever to how spam is generated or targeted. Viam Ferream (talk) 09:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Boiler room? 93.92.200.193 (talk) 14:00, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

his article is about unsolicited or undesirable electronic messages. For the food, see Spam (food). For information specific to email, see Email spam. For other uses, see Spam (disambiguation). An email box folder littered with spam messages

Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited messages (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site. While the most widely recognized form of spam is email spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social spam, spam mobile apps,[1] television advertising and file sharing spam. It is named after Spam, a luncheon meat, by way of a Monty Python sketch in which Spam is included in every dish.[2] The food is stereotypically disliked/unwanted, so the word came to be transferred by analogy. अपने लेख अनचाही या अवांछनीय इलेक्ट्रॉनिक संदेशों के बारे में है। भोजन के लिए, स्पैम (खाद्य) देखें। ईमेल करने के लिए विशेष जानकारी के लिए, ईमेल स्पैम देखें। अन्य उपयोगों के लिए, स्पैम (बहुविकल्पी) देखें। एक ईमेल बॉक्स फ़ोल्डर स्पैम संदेशों से अटे पड़े

इलेक्ट्रॉनिक स्पैमिंग इलेक्ट्रॉनिक संदेश प्रणाली के उपयोग के एक ही साइट पर बार बार अनचाहे संदेशों (स्पैम), विशेष रूप से विज्ञापन, साथ ही संदेश भेजने भेज रहा है।, ब्लॉग में त्वरित संदेश स्पैम, यूज़नेट समाचार समूह स्पैम, वेब खोज इंजन स्पैम, स्पैम विकि स्पैम, ऑनलाइन वर्गीकृत विज्ञापन स्पैम, मोबाइल फोन: एक ओर जहां सबसे व्यापक रूप से मान्यता प्राप्त स्पैम के रूप में ईमेल स्पैम है, शब्द अन्य मीडिया में भी इसी तरह का हनन करने के लिए लागू किया जाता है मैसेजिंग स्पैम, इंटरनेट फोरम स्पैम, जंक फैक्स प्रसारण, सामाजिक स्पैम, स्पैम मोबाइल क्षुधा, [1] टीवी विज्ञापन और साझा फ़ाइल स्पैम। यह एक मोंटी अजगर स्केच जिसमें स्पैम हर डिश में शामिल किया गया है के माध्यम से, स्पैम, एक लंच मांस के नाम पर है। [2] भोजन stereotypically नापसंद है / अवांछित है, तो शब्द सादृश्य द्वारा स्थानांतरित किया जाने लगा। — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.100.177.65 (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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