Talk:Spanish Army

Cadetes
There are equivalents for the officer students, called "cadetes". It´s similar to the subteniente without the star. During the first course they use only an angle, the second, two.

Structure Graphic
I'm currently working on a project to create app-6 graphics of the structure of all European armies. I have begun work on the Spanish Army (2006-2009 reorganization), but there is not information available to design the organization chart: i.e. which of the 4 battalions of the 10th mechanized Brigade will survive? and which two will make up the new armoured regiment? Also, where are the units garrisoned? Does anyone have detailed information? Or a link to a white paper regarding the reorganization of the Spanish Army? noclador Donenoclador 10:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ola
To all, i have posted some contr. about Spanish army. I have a RID magazine that descrives in one article the details of Spanish army as shots in 1991. There is a lot of interesting stuff, i hope this works also because many hardware is still in service today.--Stefanomencarelli 19:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

What does this mean in plain English?
Under the heading 1985 what is the meaning of organic in this sentence?? In this year Spanish Army had started a reorganization that included a 45,000 unit reduction in organic.

Organic is this in the sense of soldiers ie flesh and blood? Or organic [growth] is being reduced?

Any offers? Ideas?


 * No no "flesh and blood" meaning. Neither "organic food" meaning. "Organic" in this context means AFAIK "being part of a bigger structure", because Organs are part of a bigger body. I hope this helps Randroide (talk) 12:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I (Mumbo-Jumbophobe) settled the issue by removing the term "organic", which is the result of a translation error. What is meant is that the army was reduced by 45,000 men. 4 May 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mumbo-jumbophobe (talk • contribs) 19:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Current units and structure
Not anymore. See  —Preceding unsigned comment added by HombreDHojalata (talk • contribs) 22:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I made some corrections to the English and after "30 billion" I wrote (30,000,000,000). The Eng. term "billion" has different meanings in Great Britain and the US. In the US one billion is 1,000,000,000, whereas in the UK a billion is 1,000,000,000,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mumbo-jumbophobe (talk • contribs) 19:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Billion: see the lead of Long and short scales. The terms British and American are no longer used. The UK government has used the short scale billion since 1974.
 * A short scale billion is 109, that is: 1 followed by 9 noughts (nulls or zeros) = 1,000,000,000.
 * A long scale billion is 1012, that is 1 followed by 12 noughts (nulls or zeros) = 1,000,000,000,000.

--TGC55 (talk) 07:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Super Pumas/Cougars
Numbers do not seems to be correct. &  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.12.237.95 (talk) 15:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Recent operational expierience? Afghanistan?
Is there a reason that there is no mention of the Spanish Army's experience in Iraq or Afghnistan? I don't know which country Spanish troops were involved in. Probably under NATO, so it is likely Afghnistan. I think that the article would be improved by including recent, or for that matter, any operational experience. --TGC55 (talk) 03:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Size of Spanish Army circa 2013
Someone changed the size of the Spanish Army to 100,000 from the previous 61,000. As far I can tell this is completely spurious. I'm not sure 61,000 is exactly right, but 100,000 is definitely not true.

http://www.amtm.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Estadistica2011.pdf gives a number of 56,384 on page 2-24.

If there are other numbers to add to this, please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NJames99 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, looks like you are both kinda wrong and kinda right. By law, according to the Ley de la Carrera Militar, the number of Spanish forces is required to be around 130,000 to 140,000, with 50,000 of those staff, general and commissioned officers. See 47337, Sect. 4 here. However, as is the case with all armies, that number is not necessarily the real one at any given time. So here for example, the number quoted for 2013 is 122,979, after reductions. In this article, the number for 2012 is 81,000. This one also supports the 81,000 figure for 2012. However here there is mention of a reduction to 123,000 for 2013. I believe the discrepancies here are due to the fact that some articles are specifying the number of all personnel across all service branches, rather than just land forces. Here is another article that uses the ~80,000 figure. In this El Pais article again we see the 130,000 number:


 * "Las Fuerzas Armadas cuentan con alrededor de 130.000 militares —83.000 soldados o marineros y 47.000 oficiales y suboficiales"


 * Translation:
 * "The Armed Forces have approximately 130,000 personnel - 83,000 soldiers or sailors and 47,000 officers"


 * But note the use of the term "sailors", which would imply they are part of the Navy. As opposed to infanteria de marina, which would make them Marines and therefore part of the Army as far as Spain is concerned. So I'd say use the 80K+ figure since it's the most commonly quoted. Thoughts? § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Spain, being in financial trouble, did reduce its Army by 25% since 2008... therefore the numbers vary according to which year one looks at. If Spain stuck with the envisioned reduction plan then the maximum numbers of active Army personnel should be as follows:
 * 2008 - 83,000 troops and 47,000 officers and NCOs for a total of 130,000
 * 2011 - 81,000 troops and 30,000 officers and NCOs for a total of 111,000
 * 2013 - 75,000 troops and 25,000 officers and NCOs for a total of 100,000
 * However the reduction is not yet completed and so the numbers still fluctuate. For 2012 the military as a whole had: 46,512 officers and NCOs and 80,029 soldiers, 6,300 civilian government employees, about 16,000 reservists and 18,000 civilian workers for a total strength of 167,000 personnel. Please note this was the status at the beginning of 2012 as envisioned in the 2012 budget request! . Hope that helps to clear up the confusion. noclador (talk) 19:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The Misterio de Defensa publication lists a total of 56,384 for the Ejercita de Tierra. This is for p"ersonal militar de tropa y marineria", including marinero, soldado, Cabo, Cabo primero, and cabo mayor. I suppose this does not include the commissioned officers.


 * The other articles do not differentiate between the army, navy and air force. Which is problematic if you are going to list numbers for those branches individually. Can we find out how many commisioned officers are in the Ejercito de Tierra? NJames99 (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Where in this PDF are you seeing the numbers? I collapsed from statistics overload trying to find them. What page number? § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * As printed it is 2-24, my pdf viewer calls it page 120. The section is 2.2 on the Ejercito de Tierra and gives the total of 56,384. The following pages break down that number in various ways. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NJames99 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Given that the number 100,000 is not supported, but the actual number is unclear I propose changing the article to read "less than 100,000" or perhaps less than "80,000".

Of course, we could provide an actual number if we can find a reference for officers in the army, or a total for the army itself, as opposed to totals for the armed forces, including navy, etc. NJames99 (talk) 04:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Detailed size for 2012
Military Budget request 2012, page 451:

Military

 * Size: 142,740
 * Active: 126,541
 * Officers: 16,875
 * NCO: 29,637
 * Troops: 80,029
 * Reserve: 16,199
 * Civilian Employees: 24,604

Joint Organizations

 * Size: 26,512
 * Active: 10,754
 * Officers: 3,736
 * NCO: 2,516
 * Troops: 4,502
 * Reserve: 15,758
 * Civilian Employees: 7,094

Army

 * Size: 74,853
 * Active: 74,661
 * Officers: 7,712
 * NCO: 15,324
 * Troops: 51,625
 * Reserve: 192
 * Civilian Employees: 8,266

Navy

 * Size: 20,950
 * Active: 20,818
 * Officers: 2,863
 * NCO: 5,074
 * Troops: 12,881
 * Reserve: 132
 * Civilian Employees: 3,817

Air Force

 * Size: 20,425
 * Active: 20,308
 * Officers: 2,564
 * NCO: 6,723
 * Troops: 11,021
 * Reserve: 117
 * Civilian Employees: 5,427

noclador (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * This is great. Much more sensible than just posting a random number. 14:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NJames99 (talk • contribs)

Contribution to cinema
Could someone add a few words about the times Spanish soldiers portrayed crowds, attackers, defenders, etc in notable epic films of the late 20th century? Even Spartacus (film) alone, for one. Thanks. knoodelhed (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Translation and referencing of section on history 1958-60s ("Pentomic")
In 1958 a decision was made to begin copying the U.S. "Pentomic" organisation, a term that came from the contraction of penta (5) and atomic. General Instruction 158/107 of 1958 initially affected three experimental divisions (DIE 11, 21, 31).

Instruction 160/115 of January 15, 1960 extended these changes to another five divisions in transformation (DIT) and the four mountain divisions (DIM), assigning a name to all of them for the first time. Theoretically, they were divided into three bodies that would have been interregional had they been constituted:


 * CE 1 (Madrid): DIE 11, DIE 61, DIT 71, DIT 81;
 * CE 2 (Seville): DIE 21, DIE 31, DIT 41, DIT 91;
 * CE 3 (Zaragoza): DIM 42, DIM 51, DIM 52, DIM 62.

By the same IG 160/115 all divisions receive their names. (Lopez 2017, 63)

On August 31, 1960, the last Spanish units left Morocco. The general commands of Ceuta and Melilla are integrated into the general captaincies of Seville and Granada, which also receive the provinces of Badajoz and Jaén, respectively.

Each division consists of one armored cavalry and five infantry groups, under the command of lieutenant colonels. These, in turn, are divided into five combat groups commanded by commanders. In addition, rather reduced-strength three cavalry brigades are created for each army corps. Sources see http://caballipedia.es/Ej%C3%A9rcito_de_Francisco_Franco.

Resources for expanding Spanish regimental pages
Thanks to. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * es:Anexo:Regimientos de Infantería de España
 * es:Anexo:Regimientos de Caballería de España
 * this is a booklet with all the regimental histories of the Spanish infantry

Equipment List Missing
Hey, uh, one question, where did the equipment list go? It's not there anymore, and I know for a fact that it was there the last time I used this page. Can someone please fix this problem? I would myself, but I don't have access to the tools needed. Faith15 16:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Equipment list move to it's own page?
Most other similar pages (German Army, Polish Army, Danish Army, ect) have a brief summary and overview of equipment and a separate page that lists it. Should this page have the same to homogenise the pages? (I see that were is already a Draft:List of equipment of the Spanish Army Page. Shaws username (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)