Talk:Spanish nobility

Duchy
Shouldn't it be duchy instead of dukedom, or even better just duke (or duchess) of Somewhere? --Error 01:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I would imagine it should be dukedom. A country ruled by a Duke is a Duchy. A Dukedom is a noble designation. Spanish Dukes are members of the nobility rather than monarchs. 121.73.7.84 (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Minors
What happens if the senior heir is underage? Does the 2 year limit apply to them or does it start after they reach majority? Can their guardian apply on their behalf? (Alphaboi867)

Removed text - contradictory and unclear

 * Legitimate and natural [Sureley not - natural children (i.e. bastards, are surely excluded!) patrilineal descendants of a nobleman are also noble,

In what sense is "and" used here? Are adopted children noble? (They are not "natural") Are illegitimate children noble? (They are not "legitimate") The editorial inquiry ("Surely not...") belongs in the talk page not in the article.


 * as are those female-line descendants whose inheritance of a legal title of nobility is recognized.

The structure of this sentence implies conditions in which the legal title is recognized and conditions where it would not be recognized. This is not explained in the body of the article.

This would be better written as "some female-line descendents are noble" and then explain the conditions for such recognition in the article body.

I am not a expert in this article's subject but I appeal to someone who is to verify and correct the text as indicated. patsw (talk) 18:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In Spain female line descendents are treated just like male descendents. Gender may not be discriminated as one will see in the current guidelines.

Ellanor2 (talk) 04:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Maqueda and Santangelo?
What about the titles Duke of Maqueda and Duke of Santangelo? According to this Wiki article, those titles are currently held by Luis María Gonzaga de Casanova-Cárdenas y Barón, Duke of Santangelo, son of Balthasar de Casanova-Cárdenas y de Ferrer and María de los Dolores Barón y Osorio de Moscoso, Duchess of Maqueda. However, this article doesn't mention these titles. Surtsicna (talk) 08:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Grande de España
Would the title of Grandee pass on to a holder's children? For instance, when the children of Infanta Cristina get married and have children, would her sons pass on the title to their children?

Thanks for the information. Prsgodd e ss187 14:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Divisions of the Spanish peerage?
The UK peerage is divided into several peerages reflective of the constituent kingdom from which they originated. There is the English peerage, Scottish peerage, Irish peerage, then once the formal unification there is the peerage of Great Britain, and now the peerage of the United Kingdom. Does the Spanish nobles/peers follow a simular organizational approach? Are there Leonese-Castillian nobles, Aragonese nobles, then Spanish nobles? ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 15:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Like in the UK, Spanish titles used to be divided into Titles of Castille, Titles of Aragon and Titles of Navarre, with each category actually subject to different legal regulations. From the 18th century onwards, however, first the Crown of Aragon an later the Kingdom of Navarre ceased to be separate jurisdictions within Spain. As Castilian law was extended to Spain as a whole, most new titles that were created after the 18th century became oficially Titles of Castille. In the 20th century, the modern term Titles of the Kingdom of Spain (Títulos del Reino) began to be used for all previous and future titles, which were all placed under the same legal regulation (dating back to 1912). So I think that, in practice, no distinction is made anymore, although some older titles were historically Titles of Aragon or Titles of Navarre, created under Aragonese/Catalan or Navarrese law. 187.73.191.2 (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Interesting article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/12/spanish-inheritance-law-equality-women — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.153.175 (talk) 05:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed a good find. Should act as a source for the artiocle. ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 09:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Encyclopedia list 12 crowns
Heradic arms and Armorial crowns total 12

Real / Regal

1. Sacro Imperio Romano / Holy Roman Emperor

2. Corona Real / Royal Crown

3. Principesca / Infante or Grandee

Nobiliaria / Nobleman

4. Ducal / Duke

5. Marquez / Marquis Baños de la Encina

6. Condal / Count

7. Baron / Baron

8. Nobiliaria / Noble man Crown has no stones and has pearls like baron

9. Patriacia / This one its like marquis with one per not 3. and it has no jewles

Armoreal / Armorial city crowns 10. Murales / Walled cities

11. ciudades / Cities

12. Municipio / municipity

This is from the readers Digest Encyclopedia Spain. All the arms from spain have one on this crowns, most are Nobiliarias, Territory given to a lord to rule over.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 20:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Barons, where?
In one place, it is said there were barons in Aragon, in another, in Catalonia only. Anyone?

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Could you guys include a map that goes with each of these titles. as I know they each controlled a region and it would be nice to know what region they controlled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.242.125.136 (talk) 06:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

4.7 Lord/Lady (Señor/Señora) (Don/Doña)
The English equivalent of this title and rank is most likely to be Laird or Squire. A lord in the English meaning cannot rank below a baron. He might be the equivalent of a baron if the baron is a greater baron and thus ranks as a lord, otherwise a baron is always lower than a lord in the English meaning of the word.

Barons in the continental sense were phased out in England by the 1600s and continental barons are rarely (if ever) equivalent titles to English peers of the rank of baron which are titles of political office/authority equating more to a continental count. A continental baron is typically a title linked primarily to land ownership rather than regional rulership (i.e. lordship/overlordship). 2407:7000:8402:B200:812:D638:EDE3:986A (talk) 08:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)