Talk:Sparkle (software)

Disambiguation
uh-oh, disambiguation needed again. I seem to recall a Classic Mac OS app called Sparkle, but I don't remember using it so I can't write a stub. Does anyone remember seeing this on the floppy that shipped with Adam Engst's Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh ? Connectionfailure 08:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as I recall that was an MPEG player. I used it a little before QuickTime became good at MPEG playback. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 14:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

All apps using Sparkle
Here is a list of all the apps currently supported (2007-05-20) by Sparkle. Update the article with the blue links.
 * 1Passwd
 * Airport Monitor Utility
 * Adium
 * Alarm Clock (software)
 * Album Art Thingy
 * AppZapper
 * Auction Hunter
 * Aurora (software)
 * Avenir (software)
 * Backuplist+
 * BetterZip
 * BeerAlchemy
 * Birthdaybook
 * BombSquad
 * Books (software)
 * Bookends (software)
 * Bullfrog (software)
 * Cast Life
 * CDRevolution
 * Checkout (software)
 * ChocoFlop
 * Cocoalicious
 * Code Collector
 * Colloquy (IRC client)
 * Compare Folders
 * Corripio
 * Crittersim
 * CSSEdit
 * Cyberduck
 * D&D Manager
 * Desk Lamp
 * Desktop Lyrics
 * Diamond (software)
 * Diffly
 * DiskLibrary
 * dotMac Menu
 * Downsize (software)
 * DrawIt
 * DVD Remaster
 * Event Maker
 * Family (software)
 * Feeder (software)
 * Find It! Keep It!
 * FlexTime
 * Flickr Finder
 * ForgEdit
 * Gcal.app
 * Ghost Action
 * Google Buddy
 * GuidaTV
 * guitone
 * hawkeye (software)
 * Hazel (software)
 * HostManager
 * iAlertU
 * iAmazon
 * iKey (software)
 * InCrease
 * InsomniaX
 * iPalette
 * iProcrastinate
 * iRetrospect
 * iShowU
 * iSleep
 * iStumbler
 * iSyncIt
 * iTerm
 * iTunes Album Playlist Creator
 * iVerbum
 * iTunes Remote Control
 * Jumpcut
 * Keep It Together (software)
 * Kandalu X
 * License Keeper
 * Linkinus
 * LoadMyTracks
 * LogitechLCDTool
 * LogTen Pro
 * Luscious SMS
 * Magrathea (software)
 * Max (ripping software)
 * MainMenu
 * MacFungus
 * MarsEdit
 * MDict
 * MemoryMiner
 * MiniBatteryLogger
 * Monolingual (software)
 * Morph Age
 * MultiAlarm
 * Multisite for iWeb
 * Notae
 * On The Job
 * Opal (outlining software)
 * Overflow (software)
 * Paintbrush (software)
 * Parsley is Atomically Delicious
 * Path Finder
 * PDFClerk
 * PDFKey Pro
 * PDFView
 * Peek-a-Boo (software)
 * Peel (software)
 * Pixen
 * Planbook
 * Play (software)
 * Podcast Maker
 * Posterino
 * Pukka (software)
 * Punakea
 * Pyro (software)
 * QuickEffect
 * Quinn (software)
 * RatRace
 * RAX (software)
 * RDCMenu
 * Relaunch (software)
 * rooSwitch
 * rooVid
 * RSS Menu
 * SaverLab
 * Schoolhouse (software)
 * Scrivener (software)
 * Secure Remote Disk
 * SenChecker
 * Senor Staff
 * Shimo
 * SimplyBurns
 * SiteCapture
 * SNCF Schedules
 * Snapshot (software)
 * SolarSeek
 * Soulver
 * Springy
 * SubCleaner
 * SubEthaEdit
 * Suitcase Fusion
 * Tables (software)
 * Task List
 * TrailRunner
 * Trampoline (software)
 * Tranceiver (software)
 * Transmission (BitTorrent)
 * TrapperKeeper
 * TubeSock
 * TuneConnect
 * TypeTrainer4Mac
 * UnicodeChecker
 * UnRarX
 * Valet (software)
 * vCardExplorer
 * Vienna (software)
 * VibeKit
 * Virtual Dashboard
 * Virtue (software)
 * Voice Candy
 * Wcode
 * Xacktunes
 * Xcast
 * Xslimmer
 * XQuartz


 * I've now added BetterZip, BombSquad, Corripio, Linkinus, MarsEdit, Overflow (software), Paintbrush (software), Virtue (software), Xcast and XQuartz to the list in the main article. Objectivesea (talk) 04:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Note a list of apps using Sparkle has been deleted before because there were no citations and it was seen as an advertisement.--Zorgiepoo (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Sparkle+ Fork
Sparkle was forked a while ago to add extra features and bug fixes, some of which have made it back into Sparkle. Some mention of the fork should be made on the page. Also the list of apps using Sparkle actually includes some that are using Sparkle+

Proposed edit to remove Windows-inclusionist section.
Does anyone else find it strange that the first few lines of a Mac OS X software article mentions a Windows alternative? I think that should move to the bottom of the article. Connectionfailure (talk) 03:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * yep. noticed it as well. changed it to "other OS alternatives". --Lordjeremias (talk) 15:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

History
Note this is a Sparkle contributor here. This is not an official "COI edit request". I'm jotting down notes about Sparkle's history which provides (secondary) notability references.

By the time Sparkle 1.0 was released in June 2006, it was used by notable applications like Transmission (BitTorrent client) and Cyberduck:

Proof for transmission: https://github.com/transmission/transmission/tree/0.6.1/Sparkle.framework

Proof for Cyberduck: https://github.com/iterate-ch/cyberduck/issues/12245

"Primary/legacy" source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060624012628/http://www.andymatuschak.org:80/pages/sparkle

Around the same time as Sparkle 1.0, Tom Harrington introduced Sparkle-Plus for collecting anonymous system profile information from users:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060705234541/http://ironcoder.org/blog/2006/06/14/sparkle-plus

It was used by Adium:

https://blog.adium.im/2006/12/an-interesting-experiment

https://sparkle.adium.im (look at an old year)

This functionality was merged into Sparkle 1.5 beta later at some point..

Primary/legacy source: https://web.archive.org/web/20081005051127/http://sparkle.andymatuschak.org/

Sparkle 1.5 beta was featured here:

https://www.engadget.com/2008-06-02-sparkle-1-5b1.html

Then WebKit adopting Sparkle and adding delta updates came along.. (already in the article)

https://code.launchpad.net/~bdash/sparkle/delta-updates

https://www.engadget.com/2009-01-13-webkit-adds-some-sparkle.html

2016 Vulnerability is already mentioned in the article.

Apple demonstrated using Sparkle as an example of how to build a universal framework in regards to porting apps to Apple Silicon and noted Sparkle had no portability issues (look in the transcript): https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10214

Sparkle 2 was released after being in development for several years:

https://mjtsai.com/blog/2021/12/29/sparkle-2-0 https://christiantietze.de/posts/2019/06/sparkle-xpc-setup (shows people using developmental branch/fork for sandboxed apps) https://github.com/sparkle-project/Sparkle/issues/363 - not sure if this is primary source or not

With enough notability mentions from secondary sources, the lack of notability tag can probably be removed at some point. --Zorgiepoo (talk) 05:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Conflicts
I reverted all of my recent changes to prevent a conflict of interest. Sorry to anyone who this inconveniences. --Zorgiepoo (talk) 01:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I found your additional info you added the past days very helpful. The COI is, IMO, unjustified because you don't profit from it. You're one of the most experienced to write on this topic, and I've reviewed all our recent edits and didn't find anything questionable about them. It's a shame that the COI is used in this case (I've run into similar issues myself in the past). Regardless, thanks for making the effort. Perhaps you can move all the info into Sparke's README.md or into another file in the repo instead, so it's not getting lost. Tempel (talk) 08:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The proper way to edit the page with a COI is to make an COI edit request on this talk page. An uninvolved editor will then review the request and decide whether the edit is in line with Wikipedia's policies. SailingInABathTub 🛁 13:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Once someone edits/removes the proposed to be deleted lack of notability notice that @StreetcarEnjoyer placed or the date is deferred, I can gather the sources and do that here (I do not have time to do that right now). Zorgiepoo (talk) 13:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I added a History section on this talk page with info others have if they want to formalize/research the info on the article. Zorgiepoo (talk) 05:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)