Talk:Sparta, Laconia

White space
Someone please fix the Gian White Space problem at this article. Intelligent Mr Toad 08:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

A Sparta wannabe?
so this is like sparta wannabee but not real sparta? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.199.156 (talk) 05:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this is Sparta. -- Mik 16:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * lol (though all the descendants are probably just former helot stock if anything... wow small population in comparison to even how many helots there were!) 67.5.147.82 (talk) 08:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * THIS. IS. SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.49.119 (talk) 02:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

As for now, this Sparti is a town in the middle of nowhere. How come that NO ONE has ever posted info how to get there from Athens? NOWHERE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.242.166.55 (talk) 19:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Should be changed from "Sparti" back to "Sparta"
I realize this was done in order to differentiate it between ancient Sparta, but the spelling "Sparti" is only the Latin Greek spelling of the name. In English, it remains "Sparta". The Greeks' goal was to create a modern Sparta under the same name, and that's what they did. I can understand calling it "Sparti" in the Latin version of this page, but since this is the English page, it should be set back to "Sparta". Ceejus 03:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The majority of the sources available (on the Internet, at least) refer to the modern city as Sparti. Do you have sources indicating otherwise? RafaAzevedo msg 21:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The municipality is called Sparti. Last time I checked, there wasn't much Doric spoken in Greece. The harping on the Tsakonian dialect spoken in a few mountain villages is completely beside the point. This was moved without discussion and without as much as an edit summary. Moving back. --dab (𒁳) 19:30, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Greek word of Sparta is Σπάρτη. The Greek word for Sparti is Σπάρτη. They are exactly the same in Greek. The confusion between the names 'Sparta' and 'Sparti' arises from a variation in Greek dialects. --Nikoz78 (talk) 07:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

It needs to be changed to Sparta.The Greek ministry of Tourism and the City's official web page refer to it exclusively as Sparta.Please revert.

http://www.sparti.gr/index.php/en/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 10:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The Guardian as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2013/jan/04/10-best-bargain-city-breaks-2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 10:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

It's way too confusing explaining to non natives the differences between Sparta and Sparti.Most people know it as Sparta in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 10:55, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Notable Spartans
I am not sure the notable Spartan section should be there, unless someone knows of any important people from the modern city and not the ancient city. --Tjayh913 (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved, dab with hatnote -- JHunterJ (talk) 00:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Sparti (municipality) → Sparti – This appears to be the primary meaning of "Sparti". PatGallacher (talk) 14:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. That is perhaps to take a provincial view, and possibly a recentist view (the temporal equivalent). The DAB page Sparta (disambiguation) shows some of the complexity in the situation, but not all. The Spartoi are often referred to in published literature as "the Sparti" (see and, for example). Primary topic? Why labour to determine one here, when there is so little advantage to using that spurious principle to strip away valuable precision? N oetica Tea? 02:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I recognise that Spartoi is a possible alternative meaning, but it appears to be the only one. However the municipality is the only article where "Sparti" is the main title.  See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:PRECISION. PatGallacher (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * See the needs of Wikipedia's worldwide readership, with its diverse and unpredicable informational needs and informational priming.
 * N oetica Tea? 12:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support, per PatGallacher. Seem to be only two topics (putatively) in the "Sparti" namespace, and the other candidate, Spartoi, doesn't even mention "Sparti" as a related term in the article.  So this topic seems primary by default. ENeville (talk) 19:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It needs to be changed to Sparta.The Greek ministry of Tourism and the City's official web page refer to it exclusively as Sparta.Please revert. http://www.sparti.gr/index.php/en/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 10:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The Guardian as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2013/jan/04/10-best-bargain-city-breaks-2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 10:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC) It's way too confusing explaining to non natives the differences between Sparta and Sparti.Most people know it as Sparta in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 10:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Here what the Municipality of Sparta says

''Sparta Modern day Sparta, capital of the prefecture of Lakonia, lies on the eastern foothills of Mount Taygetos in the Evrotas River valley. The city has been built upon the site of ancient Sparta. The lush, fertile plain surrounding Sparta is home to olive and citrus groves, thickets of mulberry and other trees. To the southwest stands Mt. Taygetos with its towering peaks and wild beauty. To the east of the city stands the Parnonas mountain range, which is forested predominantly with Greek fir trees and other pines.''

http://www.sparti.gr/index.php/en/modern-day-sparta

As you can see by now Sparta is the term in English that has prevailed.Trust me as a Greek is too difficult explaining this over and over again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 11:18, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Moved to Sparta (modern)
I have now moved it to Sparta (modern) also please check out what the official site of the municipality of Sparta now says regarding the name as well here http://www.sparti.gr/index.php/en/modern-day-sparta/item/1-sparta .We can use some info from there as well to improve the article overall.

'' Modern day Sparta, capital of the prefecture of Lakonia, lies on the eastern foothills of Mount Taygetos in the Evrotas River valley. The city has been built upon the site of ancient Sparta. The lush, fertile plain surrounding Sparta is home to olive and citrus groves, thickets of mulberry and other trees. To the southwest stands Mt. Taygetos with its towering peaks and wild beauty. To the east of the city stands the Parnonas mountain range, which is forested predominantly with Greek fir trees and other pines.

The origins of modern Sparta date back to October 20, 1834, when King Otto issued a decree on the construction of the new city. Bavarians city planners, headed by Fr. Stauffert, designed a city of 100,000 inhabitants based on the neo-classical architectural model.

Today Sparta maintains its good design, boasting large squares and wide streets lined with trees, while many of the older buildings remain in excellent condition. The city of Sparta is the economic, administrative and cultural center of Lakonia. A key factor in the advancement of the city’s development is the operation of two departments of the University of Peloponnese and a department of the Technological Educational Institute. Visitors are always highly impressed by the centrally-located main square which is dominated by the most imposing neo-classical building in Sparta, the City Hall. Built in 1909, City Hall bears the signature of the Greek architect, G. Katsaros. With its glorious history and its proximity to Byzantine Mystras, the city of Sparta attracts the attention of many visitors, making it a prime tourist destination.

Due to its extensive and prominent history, the name Sparta is a world-renowned symbol of heroism and sacrifice balanced by a simple, austere way of life '' --

Have now also cleared all the in text Sparti references to Sparta for coherence and continuity and have made considerable improvements on the modern city section using the valuable info coming from the official municipality of Sparta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 04:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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