Talk:Spectre (2015 film)

&ldquo;Borrowed&rdquo; the Aston Martin DB5 at the end of the film?
The last paragraph of the Plot section reads: “The next morning, Bond borrows the repaired Aston Martin DB5 from Q and drives off with Swann to parts unknown.”

Borrowed it? Isn't that his own Aston Martin the one that he won in a poker game in Casino Royale, subsequently destroyed in the line of duty, and now repaired, courtesy of Q branch? &mdash; Bob Blaylock (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:05, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * But Q says "Bring it back in one piece, not bring back one piece" indicating Q branch ownership. - X201 (talk) 21:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Spectre or SPECTRE??
Betty Logan and Sjones23 recently undid my edits which changed the name of the film from "Spectre" to "SPECTRE" in the article text. Betty Logan cited WP:CAPS as the rationale for the first reversion, yet "SPECTRE" is an anacronym and as far as I understand the MOS guidelines, it should therefore be capitalised. Moreover, when announcing the title of the film in December 2014, Eon productions used uppercase letters, and this is also how the name was written in a lengthy feature that appeared in the October 2015 issue of Total Film magazine (in my opinion, about as authoritative a source as one could cite here). Accordingly, I undid the reversion of Betty Logan, but this action was in turn reverted by Sjones23 without any reason being given. I'd like to ensure that the the correct form is used in this article, and the best evidence I've seen suggests that "SPECTRE" rather than "Spectre" should be employed. I invite further comments on the issue from the aforementioned persons, as well as other editors.

{Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 08:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)}


 * I don't care which version is used but here is a press release from December 2014 https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/news/spectre-official-press-release SonOfThornhill (talk) 11:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence.[a] Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia."
 * Comment Wikipedia does not adopt stylisation from movie posters and official credits, it defers to its own style guide. MOS:CAPS states the following:


 * So there are two things to consider here: i) is "SPECTRE" an acronym; and ii) is it "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources"? While "SPECTRE" is indeed an acronym in the books there is no evidence that this is the case in the film. Even if SPECTRE is an acronym in the film then it still does not follow that the SPECTRE of the title is an explicit reference to the organization. For example, the film's title could also carry a metaphorical meaning too, referring to the "spectre" of Bond's past. If the film's title was explicitly presented as an acronym i.e. S.P.E.C.T.R.E. then that would pretty much settle the issue, but without the periods it is ambiguous. So let's turn our attention to sources used in the article: of the regular external links, IMDB, Allmovie and Box Office Mojo don't capitalise, while Metacritic does; Rotten Tomatoes capitalises all titles so we have no baseline for that site. Looking through the first 10 sources in the article, 7 do not capitalise; of the 3 that do, 2 capitalise all film titles, so essentially out of the first 8 valid sources only 1 capitalises. On the basis of that reliable sources certainly seem to lean towards not capitalising. That is a long way off the threshold set by Wikipedia's own style guide.


 * On a final note, I would say that even if there were a case for capitalising the title the approach taken by Edwin is the incorrect one because the page title would still be in a non-capitalised form. If Edwin still believes that "Spectre" should be capitalised throughout the article I would recommend he follows the process outlined at WP:RM so the discussion is held within the context of renaming article and so the correct actions will be fully undertaken if there is indeed a consensus that "Spectre" should be capitalised. Best wishes, hope everyone is keeping safe. Betty Logan (talk) 11:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Judi Dench
Nothing is mentioned about her character, except in credits to actors in film. Yet everyone else is mentioned about the character they portrayed and what they did for the film. Prejudicial ?!?! Jawja Girl (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * She only appears in one scene and as a recording on a laptop at that. DonQuixote (talk) 17:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Code name 'C'
A recent edit changed "Max Denbigh (whom Bond dubs "C")" to "Max Denbigh (codenamed "C")". I prefer the former, because we don't actually know that his code name is 'C', we only know that Bond chooses to call him 'C'. GA-RT-22 (talk) 12:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Attacker is not deceased
This is wrong: "Bond obtains a ring stylized with an octopus from the deceased attacker". Sciarra is not dead at this point. I removed "deceased" but got reverted. Would the anonymous editor who reverted this please discuss why you think "deceased" is needed? (Also I find "attacker" confusing but that's another matter.) GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)