Talk:Spider-Man 2/Archive 1

pictures
Can anyone explain why I am unable to view the photos that have been placed on this page? They all have X's in the upper left-hand corners. Scorpionman 02:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The images are loading properly; if you can't see them, it's a problem on your end. There are, however, too many images in this article in my opinion. dc 11:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Budget
Is all of the information about the budget really neccesary? 67.142.130.34 00:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The Building Battle
As you may know, there is a fight scene between Doc Oc and Spidy on the side of a building. Is this a reference to the episode "The Terrible Triump of Doctor Octopus" in the 1967 TV cartoons? In both shows... Image:SpidySplat.jpg
 * Oc, in the cartoon, holds Spidy up with his tentacles. In the movie, right before the battle, Oc ensnares Spidy in like manner.
 * Spider-Man is tossed through a window.
 * Spidy splats web on Oc's glasses.
 * Aunt May (in the movie) and a bomb known as 'The Nullifier' (in the cartoon) are threatened to be dropped to the city streets while the SuperHumen are on diffrent buildings.
 * Oc barely gets away while Spidy is trying to save the innocent (the nearby gawkers and Aunt May in the cartoon and the movie, respectivly).
 * And, of course, they were both fought atop two buildings.

--71.118.168.253 08:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think this is another case of "generic features of many spiderman fights" rather than a reference to the cartoon. Things falling off buildings, Aunt may being dragged along, webs-to-the-face and fightin on rooftops have all been done elsewhere before in the comics, often together.

john jameson wearing the medallion...
I've just seen the movie again and i looked carefully for the scene where john jameson is wearing the medallion with the moon ruby and i couldn't find it.. is it really in the movie?? in which scene exactly? -- PASSIVE (Talk|E-Mail) 21:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
I tried to clean up the trivia section a bit. I removed things that were hardly trivia or just not really that important to be noted, and things that would need some form of source to verify the authenticity. I still think it needs a bit of work. Bignole


 * Should the trivia from the TV series really be there? The TV series itself was just using elements aready seen in the comic!

It depends, certain things were soley the series. Bignole 20:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * True, but at the very least losing his powers wasn't an invention of the TV series, nor was the use of the Green Goblin appearing as a halucination or in a mirror. The bouncer thing is hardly akin to what was in the TV series so much as it is numerous other "I'm late" incidents in Peter's life, and Aunt May getting money from Peter taking pictures? That's been seen more than a few times in the comics. Unless there's some comments from Raimi or the writer citing this debt, there's not reason to say these are specific homages to the cartoon more than they're nods to the source material in general. Vocal_Minority 21:33, 26 August 2006 (GMT)


 * I totally agree. If you know of ones that are mentioned as Cartoon but originated in the comics then fine, but both need cites to prove their case. Bignole

Spider-Man Trailer Download
Hey, Um I'd hate to ask. But does anyone know where I can download the trailer in Real Media or Windows format? -- UnDeRsCoRe 13:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[] Under Daily Bugle-video NickCharbuski 01:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Citation for use

 * Citation for use. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 01:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Citation for use. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 01:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Which is which
Spider-Man 2 opened in the United States on June 30, 2004 and grossed $40.4 million in its first day; this was the second highest opening day, after The Matrix Reloaded, just inching out over the first Spider-Man's opening day take of $39.4 million.

40.4 or 39.4 on opening day?? Berserkerz Crit 19:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This should help. Reloaded - 42.5, Spidey 2 - 40.4, Spidey 1 - 43.6. Current holder Pirates 2 - 55.8. Spidey 2 is currently 9th on the opening day records.  BIGNOLE    (Question?)  (What I do)  19:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Doc Ock's tentacles
What metal are Doc Ock's tentacles made out of in the movie?


 * I'm not sure. I think they are specified as non-magnetic though. RJFJR 22:43, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I remember in an old Spider-Man comic that they were made out of Adamantium. Scott197827 07/02/2006


 * If you read the article for Doctor Octopus, in the Film section it says it was defintely NOT Adamantium: "Also the metal that they are constructed from is not adamantium." --rjcuk 23:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Exported from article for possible re-integration into the rest of the article. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 18:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Tobey Maguire's back problems, which set the film's production back several months, were also referenced in the film itself. When Peter Parker tries to leap off of a building, he falls to the ground in an alleyway. When he stands he winces crying "My back! My back!". As clarified by both Raimi and Maguire, the line was not initially poking fun at Maguire's problems - it was simply a line gag (ex. "I'm back! I'm back! My back! My back!"). But once Raimi heard about Maguire's back problems he was considering taking the line out of the movie, but Maguire wanted to do it so Raimi left it in.
 * The name of Peter's landlord, "Ditkovitch", was an obvious hat-tip to Spider-Man co-creator Steve Ditko.
 * Spider-Man creator Stan Lee makes yet another cameo appearance (as he did in Spider-Man, and nearly every other Marvel film) during Spidey's first battle with Doc Ock.
 * Phil LaMarr appears as an extra in the movie. He can be seen in the train. The appearance is not credited.
 * Tobey Maguire's younger half-brothers also appear in the train sequence as the young boys who hand Peter Parker his discarded Spider-Man mask. Neither is credited.
 * Spider-Man 2 is the first movie to be released in UMD format for the PSP. The first one million copies of the U.S. PSP included the movie free.
 * The scene in which J. K. Simmons (as J. Jonah Jameson) shouts "Spider-Man was... A THIEF!" caused much hilarity around the set. Simmons was wearing false teeth for Jameson's trademark scrooge smile, and whenever he tried to form the "TH" he spat out his false teeth.  These scenes can be seen on the blooper reel of the DVD.
 * Bruce Campbell, the star of Raimi's Evil Dead trilogy makes a cameo appearance as a theater doorman who won't let Peter Parker into the theater.
 * There is a cameo of Queer as Folk star Hal Sparks as the elevator passenger Spidey speaks with while having to take the elevator when he finds his powers weakened. Hal Sparks character in Queer as Folk is a comic book fanatic.
 * It was the first film with over 4,000 theaters for an opening day and second for overall counts.
 * Willem Dafoe enjoyed working on the first film so much that he offered to return for the sequel, so long as Raimi could write him in somewhere. Raimi obliged with his request, and Norman Osborn's cameo scene was the end result.
 * Film director John Landis has a cameo appearance in the scene in which Doctor Octopus is in the hospital after the accident.
 * Sam Raimi was the second student to hit Peter with his back pack,which could been seen on the gag reel of the Spider-Man(2) DVD.
 * Donnell Rawlings has a minor role in the beginning when Peter Parker delivers the pizzas.
 * Dan Hicks makes a cameo appearance as one of the passengers on the runaway train. Dan Hicks played the character Jake in another Sam Raimi film, Evil Dead 2.
 * In the commentary Sam Raimi says that the hospital scene was the first scene they started filming and the first one to be done.
 * In an easter egg on the second disk of the DVD version of the movie, (You must select the "Making the Amazing" option and then push Up on your remote control. Doctor Octopus's arm should be highlighted in a green color) Willem Dafoe makes a surprise cameo as he practices the first fusion experiment scene in Alfred Molina's place, much to Molina's surprise and delight.
 * In another easter egg, on the second disk of the film, (You must select the "Gallery" option from the main menu and then push Left on your remote control. Spiderman's head should be expressing that he is using his "Spidey Senses") shows Alfred Molina doing a highly entertaining skit from the broadway musical Fiddler on the Roof.
 * A story arc of the Ultimate Spider-Man comic book series, called "Hollywood", was inspired by the film.

Merge Spider-Man 2.1
Comment I think that Spider-Man 2.1 should be merged into Spider-Man 2. This is because SpecialWindler 20:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is short.
 * It is Spider-Man 2 with extras. Other re-releases (such as Lord of the Rings Extended Editions) have been put in their original articles. Why should 2.1  get its own article.
 * The section in Spider-Man 2 is sufficient for the re-release.

Agreed. It's not a totally different film like Richard Donner's Superman II. Alientraveller 20:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur. I don't see why features on a special edition DVD deserves its own article. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 20:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. Alientraveller 17:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Citations for use
Alientraveller 20:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Spider-Man 2.1/DVD Release
Why do these have to be mutually exclusive? I think that a new extended cut is notable enough to get its own section, especially since it debuted on TV before it was on DVD. I think we should have a 2.1 section, and if its considered necessary, add a separate DVD release section. -Joltman 17:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Spider-Man 2.1 is not significant in say, Star Wars, which altered scenes years later and was a major cinematic re-release, or Kingdom of Heaven, which offers a dramatically different and longer alternate cut. It was a marketing cash-in on Spider-Man 3, nothing less or more, and that's why I feel summary style is appropriate there. Alientraveller 17:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 2.1 was only a version of the film that had all the deleted scenes inserted back in (as opposed to going through the DVD and watching them separate). It wasn't like Raimi filmed new scenes. It's no more special than X-Men 1.5, it's just another style DVD of the same movie. Debuting on tv first is notable, but not enough to warrant an entirely new section fully devoted to one version of the DVD release, especially when you don't have that much info on it.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "Spider-Man 2.1" was not even I directors cut. Sam Raimi himself said thatit is not a 2.5 because the original was as good as possible. THere is not enough to grant his own section

Spydercam
"The film used the Spydercam to a greater degree" This is the first and only place this is mentioned in the article. Can we get a definition here? --Knulclunk 04:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC) Tylea002 15:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? Alientraveller 15:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The Spydercam paragraph makes no sense. Is it a real camera? Perhaps it should be written like this:

"The film uses a specially designed motion control camera attached to a pulley trapeze system that could be dropped 50 stories at a time called a "Spydercam". The Spydercam can also shoot film 6 frames per second, twice standard film speed."

Or something like that. --Knulclunk 22:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

GA review comments

 * "developed by Alfred Gough, Miles Millar, David Koepp and Michael Chabon" - "developed"? where these four gentlemen involved in script writing or producing? please clarify. also, please provide details of the producers of the movie in the lead para
 * "The film was released on June 30, 2004 in the United States, and received mostly positive reviews from critics. It went on to earn over $373.5 million in the US, and $783 million worldwide." - did the film debut in US? I thought it opened in Japan a few days before US. Also, with two-third of the revenue coming from worldwide market, the lead para should focus on the international markets as well
 * "The film's success led to another sequel, Spider-Man 3." - the sentence implies that the crew had not planned for a third movie and based on the success of the movie, they decided to take one more. if this is the case, please provide reference in the lead para or the main article
 * The lead para needs info on the cost of the movie.
 * "Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire)" - remove wikilink for Tobey
 * "and Peter Parker is finding his " - remove wikilink for peter parker
 * "J. Jonah Jameson names him " - add wikilink for Jonah Jameson
 * "M.J. is planning to marry John Jameson" - provide wikilink to john jameson as well as a reference that he is jonah's son
 * "M.J. is planning to marry John Jameson and Harry lashes out at him in a drunken rage due to his loyalty to Spider-Man" - sounds as if Harry lashes out at John. sentence needs copyedit
 * be consistent in using either "Doctor Octopus", "Octavius", "Doc Ock" or "Ock" in the second and third para of the plot section
 * In the cast section, remove wikilinks for people/characters that have wikilinks already
 * "In April 2002, Sony had hired " - sony needs wikilink and a mention as production house in the lead para
 * " also felt he had the physicality" - is physicality a word?
 * "Filming was still going after Christmas 2003.[15]" - needs copyedit. use past tense
 * "Danny Elfman returned to compose the music for Spider-Man 2 and described his experience on the film as miserable.[18]" - provide a summary of why Danny felt his experience was miserable

In summary, most of the changes are copyedits and hence i am going to move it to GA. I believe that the article needs more depth esp in the production side for it to make it to FA, though the coverage is OK at GA level. --Kalyan 10:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture comparison
In the article, there is the comic panel that depicts Peter walking away from the Spider-Man suit in a garbage can, and the shot from the film that recreates the scene. However, could we get a picture that puts the two pictures side-by-side? I think that would help in seeing how the scene was recreated. What I'm thinking, basically, is merge the two pictures. Anybody else think this is a good idea? Anakinjmt 01:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Top 10 Lists
Many recent films articles (i.e. Into the Wild, Eastern Promises, No Country for Old Men) include a section chronicling their appearance on critic's year end lists. Spider-Man 2 has appeared on at least six such lists. If anyone would like to add such a section, the following link could serve as a reference.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/awards/2004/toptens.shtml

S. Luke 04:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Doc Oc's Motivation?
Somehow i don't get it, what is Doc Oc's Motivation for re-doing the Experiment? I's not written in the Plot-Summary... I just watched the movie, but somehow i don't get it...


 * Read Doctor Octopus. --rjcuk 23:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, it is written there that the AI in the tentacles took over his brain and forced him to do it. That much i already knew. Maybe i should have asked the question differently: Why do the tentacles "want" to re-do the experiment...? 88.65.102.243 20:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The sole reason for existence of these tentacles is exactly that experiment. They know no other goal than doing it. They've got intelligence - almost personality, I would even say. --Cyberman TM (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Cast
I don't know much about editing these articles, but the cast descriptions are all screwed up. Someone really needs to fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.126.157 (talk) 15:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Who is the actress that plays Peter Parker's landlord's daughter?
I may be missing someone from the list of credits,but who plays Peter Parker's landlord's daughter,the girl that invites him into her apt. for a piece of cake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68left (talk • contribs) 13:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC) Her name is Mageina Tovah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.144.226.67 (talk) 10:00, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Australian version
"On the Australian version of the soundtrack, "I Am" by Killing Heidi appears as Track 17"

Was "I Am" in the spiderman movie? If so, why would it be only be put on the Australian version? If it was not in the movie, what would lead it to be added in the first place?

placement of plot summary
Since we have a spoiler template above the plot summary should it be below everything that isn't a spoiler except external links? RJFJR 22:43, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that would be neccessary. If it doesn't give away the end of the film, then you won't need the spoiler template above it. Graham P. 5:53, 31 March 2005 (UTC)

Uh, that discussion of Molina and Octavius' different ethnicities.. I could swear Octavius didn't so much speak 'American English' as having a heavy thick German accent, which Molina lacked severely... along with the bowl cut, shades, megalomania, and heavy build that characterize Ock.

Ock Lives?
On the page for Doctor Octopus, in the segment about the film incarnation, it says this:

"Doctor Octopus sinks down after it, and appears to die. This however, may not be the case as a special feature on the DVD strongly hints that he survives."

I've rented the dvd from netflix, but only got the first disc, which means the majority of special features is on the second, which I don't have. Can someone explain what the special feature hinting at Ock's survival is?

Deleted Scenes
Does anyone what the deleted scenes are for this movie?

Christopher Young's additional score
Danny Elfman's few scores in the film were rejected, Christopher Young did most of the soundtrack for the film and he was uncredited somehow... Kade Klodt (talk) 01:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Extended edition
Shouldn't there be a panel for it to what scenes were add to the movie either in the plot or at least it's own panel Underdog0123 (talk) 20:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Cameo
There's a 14 or 15 year old rumor that gets brought up once in a blue moon, that the Punisher made a cameo appearance in the film, but the only thing these people are basing that on is that the guy somewhat looks like Thomas Jane (opinion) and is wearing all black... that's it. But now there saying it was his stunt double from the film, but it's never been proven from anyone, no "quotes" or statements, they claim it's from a Wizard Magazine and the audio commentary, but after 14 or 15 years, no one has quotes what they've said. Story wise it makes no sense, also, Sony didn't own the rights to use the character, they would have gotten sued by Lionsgate. I want see the statements from the filmmakers and I want to hear an audio recording from the commentary, is that too much to ask for????108.208.137.67 (talk) 04:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This would qualify as a somewhat extraordinary claim, so extraordinary evidence would be needed in order for it to be included. For what it's worth, I've searched for reliable online sources that spoke on the matter, but I couldn't find any. I've found, however, two statements, one in the IMDb trivia section on Spider-Man 2, and one in a WhatCulture article, both questionable sources, but even these two say the rumor is false. IMDb: Toward the end of the movie, it was rumored that The Punisher (2004) was noticeable, as that movie was based on a spin-off character from Spider-Man's comic book. This turned out to be false and is only someone who resembled Thomas Jane. This is purely coincidental. He was never intended by the makers to be the Punisher. At first, WhatCulture seems to confirm the rumor: In the final scene of Spider-Man 2 when Mary Jane runs through New York in a wedding dress she draws the attention of a guy in a black trench coat. You'd be forgiven for thinking his obvious turn is a scene stealing attempt from an extra, but the truth is much more exciting; it's Punisher. And no, this isn't a crazy fan theory like my article last year on Deadshot in The Dark Knight Rises; the audio commentary reveals that is most certainly the serum-less super soldier who gives mob bosses nightmares. But the rumor is actually refuted later in the same paragraph: Produced about the same time as the 2004 adaptation of the character, the producers wanted Thomas Jane to make an appearance as Frank Castle, but due to Sony not having the rights his stunt double was used instead. Let it be clear that neither of these sources can be used in the article. El Millo (talk) 04:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination
Of course, it is one of the best movies of all time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CathyF.13 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)