Talk:Spiral (2021 film)

The Film's Working Title
It has been seen that production was confirmed to have commenced under the working title of "The Organ Donor" as stated on Darren Lynn Bousman's Instagram account. Should the title of this page be under that in the mean time? TerraCent (talk) 20:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I doubt it'll be the official title. Cardei012597 (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

"Untitled Saw film" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Untitled Saw film. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 00:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * They were strictly just page moves. We moved the page due to the changing title. You can delete the redirects, as the film has a new title. Cardei012597 (talk) 00:17, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

"Untitled Saw film (2020)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Untitled Saw film (2020). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 00:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * They were strictly just page moves. We moved the page due to the changing title. You can delete the redirects, as the film has a new title. Cardei012597 (talk) 00:17, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

On naming.
If the name of this film does turn out to be Spiral, please note per WP:TM that then we would not use allcaps in the title, we would simply call it "Spiral" (with the page at "Spiral (2020 film)". But again, we need a reliable source which I have not yet seen for this final name. --M asem  (t) 20:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I think we need more citations for confirmation on a new title. Cardei012597 (talk) 23:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Why do we need confirmation on the new title? It currently says "From The Book Of Saw", so either all the words in the subtitle should be capitalized or "the" and "of" should be lowercase. It looks bizarre to capitalize one word and not the other, plus it goes against Wikipedia's style guide. Plus it's not like "from the book of saw" is a known phrase that existed before this movie, so there's no "common" way to spell it. Faithfulruslan (talk) 20:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The title has been shown in the official name they have capitalized the "The", and lowercased the "of". Cardei012597 (talk) 21:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Changing the page's title to SPIRAL (2020 film)
LionsGate Films has registered the domain Spirial.movie for the official website. And producer Oren Koules is now referring to the film as SPIRAL from his twitter account. I think it’s time to change the pages name to SPIRAL TerraCent (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * , I believe we should wait until Deadline Hollywood, Variety, and/or another news source comments on the film name change. That way we have absolute certainty that the film's name change is correct. Cardei012597 (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, if we were to change the Wiki page's film's title, it should be Spiral instead of SPIRAL because at Wikipedia, we do NOT use all caps on the main title page per MOS:CAPS. Cardei012597 (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Writing credit
So, the trailer just dropped, and at the end it reveals the current writing credits, written by Josh Stolberg & Peter Goldfinger, but someone keeps insisting that we change it to screenplay by Josh Stolberg & Peter Goldfinger, with story by Chris Rock. Even though we know Rock did do the initial story treatment, we don't know how much story he actually wrote (he could've just "Saw but with cops and comedy"), or how much was changed by Stolberg and Goldfinger to be reduced to only executive producer. Also, I'm pretty sure we have to go by official credits, not speculation. Iamnoahflores (talk) 15:18, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I would just say, lets be watch and open when more crew details are announced (perhaps the casting block on the official poster when that comes out, otherwise at film's release) to watch for a "Story by" credit. There's no requirement that a teaser/trailer have that at all in terms of union rules that I'm aware of (while screenplay is sorta in that). --M asem (t) 15:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Masem, the trailer also doesn't include the producers, cinematographer, editor, and composer. The trailer is NOT the only source of crew and cast information. I hope we can agree on that. Cardei012597 (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Block Quotes
Why are we not using block quotes for the Premise of this film? I’ve seen many upcoming movies use it. What’s different about this film to the others? TerraCent (talk) 03:38, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Just because other film pages use block quotes, that does NOT automatically mean that this page has to use them. Granted, this page has no crazy unique qualities about it, but it still doesn't truly mean that Spiral should have the exact same shared formatting gimmicks as every other film page. Point being, block quotes are just a formatting gimmick that is not essential or extremely important in presenting a film's premise. Block quotes are simply not important or helpful in presenting the premise of a film. Cardei012597 (talk) 03:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You generally want to have leadin information for a block quote in a section, rather than just presenting it "raw". --M asem (t) 04:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Potential Name Change/ Page Move
Should the article be moved from Spiral (2020 film) to Spiral: From The Book Of Saw? The title of the film is clearly has “:From The Book Of Saw” in it as a subtitle so I don’t see why it isn’t implemented in the title of the article. Other examples of films which have a subtitle include The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It and Insidious: The Last Key. Additionally, the article itself states that the film is called “Spiral: From The Book Of Saw” and not just “Spiral” in both the introduction and the infobox. Kaito Nakamura (talk) 08:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In those cases the subtitle it there as they are sequels and thus needed. Spiral is not a sequel, is just has a subtitle. --M asem (t) 13:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Technically, Spiral is kind of a sequel to the other Saw films, as they are referenced in the trailer. However, I also do not think its necessary to move the page because there is only one Spiral film in the Saw franchise, while The Conjuring and Insidious are the titles of their own franchises. Cardei012597 (talk) 18:45, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The killer's real name
Where's the information from that William Schenk's real first name is Billy? I'd like to know the source of that 'cause I can't find anything about this name somewhere else. And he definitely doesn't say this in the film. Supremerian1988 (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * This information is stated in this source: Cardei012597 (talk) 18:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Checking the source, I notice that "Billy" is never given as a name; do we have a source that does? The "Emerson" part isn't in doubt, but the "Billy" part seems to be. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * So, far I can not find any reference to the first name "Billy". I will remove that part of the name until a source is found on it later. Cardei012597 (talk) 19:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I had a look trying to find sourcing for it, but bumped into the very obvious problem of the Saw series having a prominent character whose name is already Billy. I'll keep checking and see what I can dig up, if anything. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

GA
In my opinion, this article could achieve GA status with just a few additional tweaks. Best. —  Sadko  (words are wind)  18:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. Are you going to be working on it?  Also, are you sure Saw III wouldn't be closer to a GA status with even smaller tweaks?  I will help, since I did help promote Saw, Saw II, Saw VI, Saw 3D to GA years ago. I also did some heavy updating to all the Saw pages a couple of months ago.  Mike   Allen   18:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)