Talk:Spirituali

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Very little to go on here. Is this really a contemporary term? What makes this a group with such a name? Wetman 05:39, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Why is it that I cannot find anything on this supposed movement in the Catholic Encyclopedia? The text of the article is very suspicious and betrays a Protestant, anti-Catholic bias. And it is improbable that Caraffa and Reginald de la Pole were together in the same ideological movement given that Caraffa (Pope Paul IV) was as deeply suspicious of De la Pole of having become (secret) Protestant as much as Giovanni Morone! And it is the greatest nonsense to pretend that the virulently (even paranoidly) anti-Protestant Pope Paul IV (who imprisoned Cardinal Morone for being a suspected secret Protestant, and who denounced De la Pole as another) was a "secret" pro-Protestant! The article on Cardinal Contarini only betrays this false and mischievous bias even further. Again, in fact, the true involvement of these men with persuading the popes to approve the Jesuits go contrary to the pro-Protestant pretensions of these entries. It seems that the principal source of information is the "Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religion". This is improbabilities heaped upon improbabilities! I strongly believe that this "Spirituali Movement" is pure fabrication and never existed, at least not with the persons named as its alleged members! WikiSceptic 19:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've found some evidence of it as a primarily Venetian movement with some Spanish influences. The article in the Catholic Encyclopedia alludes at Gasparo Contarini having views like this. Admittedly I'm not sure I found much for a movement of this outside Venice.--T. Anthony 10:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Carafa was was not a member of the Spirituali. He was head of the other party called Zealots. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

It shouldn't be surprising that the Catholic Encyclopedia contains no mention of this group of "heretics" who largely ended up victims of the inquisition. A great deal of recent research on the Spirituali has been unearthed in the Vatican archives by Italian historian Antonio Forcellino. I've added a link to a PBS show that covers some of his research. More info can be found in his book, "Michelangelo: A Turbulent Life". 68.73.93.130 (talk) 10:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Dermot Fenlon's Heresy and Obedience chronicles the Spirituali, with a special focus on Cardinal Pole. It is a standard scholarly work and would make a good basis for a revision/expansion of the article.69.139.89.167 (talk) 04:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)JA

"the Bible was prohibited to laymen.[citation needed]" citation needed indeed! Because that's, to put it delicately: bull. One of the evidences for this absurd idea often put forth is that in medieval churches the bible was chained to the lecturn. That was so people (if literate) COULD read it not to prevent them. The chain was so tht the hand scribed bible wouldn't be stolen. Like the chained up copies of telephone directories left in old pay phones. It seems all the research for this stub (again to be gentle) article was "a link to a PBS show." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.16.146.33 (talk) 17:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

"Had the movement become successful, the face of Europe would have changed, avoiding the excesses of the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation and perhaps changing the political and social reasons leading to the Thirty Years war." This is pure speculation and unless a citation is provided it should be deleted as OR.--Georgius (talk) 08:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)