Talk:Spoon/Archive 1

Spooning
A section has been added to the bit on "spooning" saying

Said to have been coined by King Arthur sometime in the late 5th to early 6th century and is mentioned in the series of Arthurian romance stories in Geoffrey of Monmouth's fictional Historia Regum Britanniae, a medieval equivalent of a bestseller that helped draw the attention of other writers, such as Robert Wace and Layamon, who then expanded on the tales of Arthur.

Now, I may be a complete and utter cynic, but I'll believe it when we have a cite for it. Average Earthman 12:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Religion section
I strongly suspect that this section is a hoax. It is the only contribution that the author, User:Salisbury Man, has made to Wikipedia. I cannot verify anything in the article. The Gospel of Matthew has no mention of a silver spoon, and the idea that Saudi Arabia bans spoons is absurd. Look at the Hebrew names in the articles Oral Torah and Shulchan Aruch. These seem to be the names the author uses in the Jewish section, but his translations are very different. I'll wait a couple of days to see if anyone disagrees. If not, I'll delete the section. SDC 06:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have travelled widely in the Middle East and can say that some of what is in this section is true up to a point. Spoons are not banned in Saudi Arabia, but they are not in common usage and certainly are not available in public eating places – religious conformity is very rigid and the Sunni view of spoons would hardly need a law to enforce it.  Families in Iran sometimes hang wooden spoons above the front doors of their homes, but only in rural areas prone to superstition, or particularly religious cities such as Qom and Isfahan.  Only Karaite Jews use the pewter spoon during B'nai Mitzvah.  I know nothing of about he silver spoon in the last supper.  Rinka_Boy 20:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe. What is "...the Sunni view of spoons..."?. This comment supporting bogus material is your first and only contribution to Wikipedia - interesting. --Snori 20:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Snori. I'm beginning to think this looks like a big prank.  Someone must provide some documentation for these claims.  I tried Google and came up with nothing.  How can we track IP address?  I wouldn't be surprised if Rinka Boy's address is the same as the author of this material.  SDC 21:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of the self-appointed guardians of Wikipedia travel no father than the computer in their bedroom/home office. Their idea of verification is to do a Google search!  Indeed this would seem to be Wikipedia’s primary verification source.  There does exist more than five millennia of received human wisdom out there, much of which is not recorded by the internet.  It may be that some of the information contained in this article is off-centre, but the comments posted on this discussion page stem from people who are stultifyingly ignorant and are possessed of no-specialist knowledge.  It seems that the people who make ‘corrections’ and delete other peoples work have an opinion on everything.  I ask this question, just what sort of hyper-inadequate person has the time of day to write criticism about an article about spoons?  Rinka_Boy 23:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You, obviously. SDC 22:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I am Ultra-inadequate, but that's a whole different story.  Rinka_Boy 11:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Rinka Boy, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but Wikipedia by design needs references. Fair enough to not be able to find a 'net reference for a regional superstition, but if there's some "Sunni view of spoons", what is it, and quote a refernce.... or leave it out. True or not it doesn't belong here,

Chinese spoons
There's no discussion of Chinese spoons in the article. Chinese spoons are distinctively different than Western spoons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.28.251 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 22 August 2006

If you read the article more carefully you will no doubt notice the reference to Chinese spoons and the pointer to soup spoon. &mdash; Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   11:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
It's an odd article to attract so much vandalism, isn't it? Or maybe this is normal, and I've just been lucky in what I've seen so far. I don't spend much time on Wikipedia. Not at all.

(I must say, though, that one of the vandalism inserts was inspired. I enjoyed it, anyway. Wrong place for it, of course.

TRiG 01:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Spoon fight/war
There should be a section on spoon fights/wars, where players try to break each others' spoons with a flick of the back end of the spoon. --165.230.213.179 18:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This is such a sick article. The description at the start is awesome. "Cereals, which cannot be easily lifted with a fork" HAHAHA classic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Sorry
Sorry to sound pedantic, but we should not be referring to those who do not use modern technology as "primitive people". Tristan Davies (first ever use of edit in wikipedia, so apologies if I have broken any protocols!)--213.48.46.141 09:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Mote spoon
Hi the mote spoon has been placed into the eating utensil section for some reason but it is used to sieve the peeing leaves and unblock the teapot spout which is a drink so thier is no eating involved with this type of spoon Davidbaggaley 09:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Use With Narcotics
I think it bears mentioning in the 'usage' section that spoons are often used to hold drugs such as heroin when they are heated (cooked), or it should at least be mentioned that there is a perceived connection between narcotics and spoons 24.225.48.229 (talk) 06:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

more hoax/vandalism?
All that stuff about "Noble Manor" seems questionable. No references anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.2.242.199 (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Welsh spoons
I can find no reference to welsh love spoons Brunnian (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

SPOON JACKING
In early 2008 the first case of spoon jacking (where spoons appear in areas of highly concentrated knives) since the lingerian period was reported at the Sid James asylum, Manchester.

Panic was eventually quelled when a team of Hibbtologists working in the building were pleased to confirm that it was a naturally occuring phenomona actually counteracting the knife mania sweeping the place (upto fifteenknives recorded in a 1m squared area). Inmates reguraly hail the incident with emotionally charged outbursts of "WHO PUT SPOON ON'T JACKS?" the relief obvious in their voices. Furthermore to the incident Hibbtologists have urged the government into more study of spoon jacking as a possible deterrent to the knife crime epidemic sweeping the nation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.105.44 (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

RE : SPOON JACKING
Which Lingerian period? Is it the one pre or post kendonian period? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.241.249 (talk) 21:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Re SPOON JACKING:

I myself have been the victim of the heinous epidemic that is spoon jacking! No sooner than when my back was turned, my jacks had been well and truly spooned. The road to a complete recovery is certainly a never ending one. Please believe me eating soup with a fork is no gentle walk in the park. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.181.2 (talk) 14:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Manufacture
In the Manufacture section, the terms fash and lynisher are used. I can find no definitions for these terms. Can someone knowledgeable about such things please either define these terms or replace them with terms that the average public might recognize? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

This article mentioned in the media
See. Badagnani (talk) 21:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Spoon-meat
Re the removal of "spoon-meat" from the "spoon" article, as a term used for semi-solid or liquid food; please check the following citation:

"SPOON-MEAT Noun 1. Food that is, or must be, taken with a spoon; liquid food. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) Date "SPOON-MEAT" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1594. Spoon-Meat. Webster's Online Dictionary - with Multilingual Thesaurus Translation."

I restored the reference, preceded by "sometimes called". Anyway, thanks for your vigilance.

Fbarw (talk) 20:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

What's with the "300 hundred" times?
I notice some text in the article, "During the hand-forging process the spoon will have been hit with a hammer over 300 hundred times." Does anyone know what that means? A literal reading would mean 30,000 (300 times 100); one editor took it to mean 300,000 ("300 thousand"). I don't see a source for it and it looks like it's been "300 hundred" for a long time (since 12 April 2007, with a period of time being split off into a separate article Handforging spoons). Any ideas? -- Why Not A Duck 21:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Bowl or Scoop
I've noticed that in the article it refers to the non-handle side of the spoon as a bowl, I would have considered it more the scoop side. Can we try to clarify who uses which term for the food side. It seems with the knife and the fork it is widely accepted to be the blade and the tines, but the end of the spoon is not as widely agreed upon. Pmi25 09:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The use of bowl is long-standing, back to at least the 18th century, and the ony one I have ever heard in the UK Brunnian (talk) 08:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Spork
"A combination utensil of spoon and fork, the spork, has become popular in the past couple of decades." I've never had one, don't know anyone who has (as far as I know), suggest replacing with "Since the 1940s a combination utensil of spoon and fork, the spork has been in use" A woon is a small wooden spoon commonly used for eating ice cream and "malts".Alf 15:04, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Now reads "As of the 1940s a combination utensil of spoon and fork, the spork has been in use", likewise a woon is a small wooden spoon commonly used for eating ice cream and "malts"."

I'm sure some people also call it, "the Foon".

So now we can say, "Sporks and Foons!" instead of, "forks and spoons." Nate5713 (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 66.183.18.243, 11 January 2011
edit semi-protected

66.183.18.243 (talk) 23:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 00:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

cutlery vs flatware
"sometimes called flatware in the United States" - I don't know about that but I do know that cutlery and flatware are interchangeable terms in the UK, being used by both the antiques trade and homeware shops (including department stores), and also by the general public. There is something of a class distinction, with flatware being perhaps a little snobby unless at auction. Flatware refers to any form of eating utensil and most food preparation ones, as district from hollowware, which is jugs, bowls, cups and the like. Though the distinction and terms originate in metal work, both are now used for those respective forms of ware no matter what the composition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marishka (talk • contribs) 13:12, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Etymology
I just deleted this sentence:


 * The earliest northern European spoon would seem to have been a chip or splinter of wood; Greek references point to the early and natural use of shells, such as those that are still used by people in hunter-gatherer cultures.

Even though some of it is lifted verbatim from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, my main problem is that it conflicts with modern archaeology and linguistics. The etymology part (in the Britannica article) is OK up to a point, but needs to be clarified with additional sources. Zyxwv99 (talk) 14:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Spoon Abuse
Since the 1970's it has also been common amongst many house holds for siblings to utilize metal spoons as a "weapon" against each other. Common uses involve banging the spoon on someone's forehead or putting into a hot liquid then placing the burning hot spoon on someone's skin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spoon190 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Spoon
Other wise known as Christopher Benson from Faringdon, Oxfordshire; a spoon is an implement that symbolizes how stupid someone is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewBerry1999 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2013
To change the second word "a" into an "an" as this is a grammatical mistake.

BettysuarezFTW (talk) 18:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Assuming you're referring to the first line of the article "a utensil", it's correct as written because the word utensil starts with a consonant sound. If you're referring to something else in the article, please be more specific. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 00:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Korean spoons.
I just want to say something relevant about spoons in East Asia.

"Old women in South Korea in the 1960s had eaten their meals with only spoons."

Komitsuki (talk) 02:00, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

new paper on neolithic spoons
http://revije.ff.uni-lj.si/DocumentaPraehistorica/article/view/4073

©Geni (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

"Spoons"
There is a discussion at Talk:Spoons (disambiguation) requesting to make Spoons a DAB page of which the card game article currently occupies.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 10:27, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Stiff and smooth
From where I sit, the word "stiff" really ought to occur in the lead. There are many spoon-like objects, but they all share the property of being a stiff material of durable shape wherein a handle (or a nub of a handle) is affixed to a bowl (usually with a smooth, continuous rim; a spoon with half a bowl and a partial rim ending in a sharp feature is called a shovel).

"Smooth" is probably another word that should appear early, because a major virtue of a spoon is the ability to return the spoon to its unladen state with the least possible difficulty (e.g. without requiring a 24-hour bath in a bottle of turpentine; or a once-over with a power nozzle). The inner and outer bowl surface of a spoon is never textured like the underside of a hiking boot.

Also, it's desirable that spoon handles are less flexible than disposable plastic spoons, which are prone to catapult action when dredged a stubborn, day old hummus. (With ropes, the stored energy of a stretchy rope is far more dangerous than the stored energy of a stiff rope).

The lead as it presently stands makes little effort to grapple with inherent spoonness. &mdash; MaxEnt 16:17, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Mughal
please change ((Mughal)) to ((Mughal Empire|Mughal))
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Could you clarify why this is necessary? Melmann 16:36, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2020
I need a comically large spoon to still count as a spoon, please remove the word "small" in the first sentence so that a spoon is not required by definition to be small. Gamb11ttt (talk) 01:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 11:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Change The Wording
"A spoon is a utensil consisting of a small shallow bowl" should be changed to "A spoon is a utensil consisting of any sized shallow bowl" please help with my concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BruhNitro (talk • contribs) 01:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021
I would like to add an image of a spoon Alicced (talk) 15:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Which image of a spoon and where exactly? The article already contains many spoon images. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * A Chinese porcelain soup spoon, used for drinking soup Alicced (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2021
Ergenekon1 (talk) 00:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

hi. i want to add a new picture from 4th bc. i request for edit permission. thanxErgenekon1 (talk) 00:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself.  Bsoyka  ( talk &middot;  contribs ) 01:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Language and culture
This section contained no cites. Per MOS:CULTURALREFS I plan to slowly replace the text with the one based on sources with in-depth coverage of spoons. Викидим (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

"Spoon" in the pop-psych sense?
I would be surprised if anyone reading this hasn't heard this. I can't remember the original source, but someone used a plate of spoons as a metaphor for one's personal energy, and the metaphor has since become extremely common? It's become common enough at this point it probably deserves a mention, but I don't want to add it until I can find a solid secondary source - it's common enough, though, I think someone else probably can? Twin Bird (talk) 23:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

The Tick
Can anyone figure out a way to add to the article the fact that The Tick's battle cry was "Spoon!"? perhaps in a spoon in popular culture section?

Good idea, we can also add the famous line "There is no spoon" from The Matrix. 130.195.86.36 03:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * just because something shares a name with the article does not mean it should be mentioned in the article. and i don't think it's notable for its own article Rguyr (talk) 21:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)