Talk:Spoopy/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 18:00, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Will review this article tomorrow; prior to that, I suggest you add a Credits and personnel section to it. --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks. Per my recent work on similar digitally-released EPs by drag queens (Now That's What I Call Drag Music, Vol. 1, The West Christmas Ever, Drag Is Magic) and their respective GA reviews (here, here, here), I think you'll find Credits/Personnel sections are actually discouraged when the only known credits are the performers. There are not even production credits to add, let alone participating musicians, etc. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * Cover art needs alt text
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure you can't source genre(s) in the body to add to the infobox?
 * Never found any specific genres mentioned in reputable sources. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "is an extended play (EP) by" → "is the debut extended play (EP) by"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Target to Drag (clothing) should be on drag performer
 * I've linked "drag" to Drag (clothing), not sure what you mean. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It should be on the words "drag performer" instead of just "drag". --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Why? The purpose is to define "drag" itself, and leaving "performer" unlinked keeps the linked text from bleeding into one another. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right actually, keep as it is. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "released by Producer Entertainment Group" → "released through Producer Entertainment Group"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "The collection includes six" → "It includes"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure the target on covers is needed?
 * Why not? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Targeting to pages that may be too obvious is discouraged on Wikipedia.--Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ok! ✅ I don't feel strongly either way. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Mention when the music video was released
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "by drag performer (and Sharon Needles' ex-partner) Alaska Thunderfuck." → "by drag performer Alaska Thunderfuck, Sharon Needles' ex-partner."
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure the target on ex is needed though?
 * Doesn't hurt. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Spoopy received a generally positive reception" → "The EP received generally positive reviews from music critics" with the appropriate target and add what was praised
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The lead could be expanded with more info since it is very short, such as the title quote from her; maybe try for two paragraphs?

Composition

 * Retitle to Background and composition since a lot of it is background info, unless you can find more on the respective sides and split to two sections
 * I won't not consider ay of this text background; all the content is related to the EP's songs and title. Background info would be a summary of Sharon Needles' prior work, EP conception, etc. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Background info can be classified from the title statement though; or maybe you can find some to add? --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Any updates on this since an article is supposed to begin with the background section? --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've changed the first section to "Background and composition" and added mention of her previous studio album releases. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Img needs alt text plus the main text needs to be reworded to something relevant to the section and remove the wikilink on Sharon Needles
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Sharon Needles' Spoopy features" → "Sharon Needles explained that Spoopy features"
 * The EP is a collection of 6 Halloween-themed cover versions. This is just a fact, based on sourcing, we don't need Sharon Needles' confirmation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The wikilink is redundant either way though and it was directly explained by her though, which certifies the fact. --K. Peake 08:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, not sure about the cover version wikilink
 * I link this in all the GA-promoted album articles I've written. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Not everything passed in a GA review is 100% reliable though; reviews can POTENTIALLY have flaws sometimes and see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , OK, sure, I've removed. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * [1] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [2]
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Sharon Needles said of the EP's title:" → "Sharon Needles said of the title:"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "or you’re over" → "or you're over"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Target Target to Target Corporation
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "I think they’re" → "I think they're"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Furthermore, she said:" → "Furthermore, she stated:"
 * "Said" is fine. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure the wording isn't too repetitive? --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikilink Urban Dictionary to itself
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Bobby Pickett's novelty song" → "A cover version by Sharon Needles of Bobby Pickett's novelty song"
 * Opted for slightly different wording, but I've clarified the song is a cover. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Sharon Needles has said of the song," → "She has said of the song,"
 * Not done only because my wording for the above request is slightly different and does not mention Sharon Needles by name, so doing so here is appropriate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Target rock n' roll Rock and roll
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Target trick or treat to Trick-or-treating
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Use the release year in brackets for the AC/DC song rather than putting written "in 1979", since it is not verified as being written then
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Should it be written in prose that the following songs are also covers or not needed to with the context given?
 * Surrounding context confirms all tracks on the EP are covers. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "and later recorded by" → "and later released by"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "was written and originally recorded by Rockwell in 1984." → "was written by Rockwell and released in 1984."
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Use correct citation(s) to back up the writer credits, since you can only use info from fellow Wikis without using references if it's for the release year, writing credits need to be sourced and maybe use the credits for the EP or something?
 * I'd rather remove writing credits (which are just basic descriptions for each song based on their respective Wikipedia entries) than pump up the article with sources just confirming song credits. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah I understand, don't you have something like maybe the Tidal credits for the EP itself or something? --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've checked several digital music outlets for specific credits. I don't think any of the claims are contentious -- they are supported by the opening sentences and infoboxes of their respective articles, and users can easily click on a song title for confirmation or more information. If you feel strongly about removing, I will, but I feel like the text is appropriate for a summary of the EP's contents. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You should remove since it's going as far as to give writing credits, which need sourcing and that would be too many refs to add. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Bummer. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "The EP is approximately 15 minutes," → "Spoopy is approximately 15 minutes and"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Use a different source than Spotify to verify the length
 * Replaced with AllMusic, which says 15:43. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed Spotify as a source altogether. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Release and promotion

 * Both of the imgs need alt text and remove wikilink on Sharon Needles for the first, plus not sure again about ex target and target drag performer to Drag (clothing)
 * Added alt text, removed link. I'm fine keeping "ex" (perhaps this will be unlinked over time) and I'd rather just link "drag". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Pamela Anderson's (pictured in 2003) slow motion running" → "the slow motion running of Pamela Anderson (pictured in 2003)," on img 2 main text, with the appropriate wikilink
 * I don't understand what you want the entire caption to say. If I just replace this part of the sentence, the text does not make sense to me. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant switch only this part of the sentence, since it currently makes no sense with the brackets after Pamela Anderson's due to the apostrophe. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I just removed the parenthetical which I don't think is necessary. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure there wasn't any more promotion outside of the music video?
 * I've included as much detail as I can find in reliable sourcing. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "was released digitally by" → "was released for digital download by" with the target
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove wikilink on record label
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Mention the music video's release date in its first sentence
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the target needed on ex?
 * Why not? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess this isn't too obvious with the context so can be kept throughout... --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "RuPaul's Drag Race contestant" → "RuPaul's Drag Race contestant,"
 * No need for comma. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Makes sure we know that both forms of description are in reference to her. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ok! ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Any more info on her ex's involvement with the video?
 * I've included what I can find in sourcing. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe target pinup to Pin-up model?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * [8] should solely be at the end of the sentence after [1]
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Target Hollywood to Cinema of the United States
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikilink G-rated to itself per MOS:LINK2SECT
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove target on rock & roll
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Furthermore, Sharon Needles said of Alaska's involvement:" → "Sharon Needles elaborated, saying of Alaska Thunderfuck's involvement with the music video:"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "And went full-on" → "And [sic] went full-on" since this is a grammar error so sic is needed in the context
 * I just changed "And" to "and". I don't think sic is needed if we just fix this very minor error. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That reads fine but needs the lowercase inserted in [] to verify that it isn't a direct part of the quotation; I copyedited this for you. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "He called Alaska's appearance" → "He continued, calling Alaska Thunderfuck's appearance"
 * Not needed. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "said the video" → "said the visual"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the Pamela Anderson info be written out in the opening para of this section, since this one is about reception not synopsis?
 * I tried to open with release and personnel info, followed by a general description, followed by more specific descriptions and critics' opinions. The Pamela Anderson thing is just in passing and not a description of the video in general. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I do understand what you mean, it is fine actually since you only mention she recreates the character on the img and don't go into much detail. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "He opined," → "Wass opined,"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "the video "down right 'spoopy!'"" → "the music video "down right 'SPOOPY!'"" since that is what the quotation says, unless you use [] to show you edited it
 * To me, this is just a caps change to make the word MoS-compliant. I don't see a need for [ ] or all caps. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The thing is, quotations have to be in [] if they have wording changed somewhat; that is a rule on WP. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ok! ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Reception

 * Retitle to Critical reception
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Add "Spoopy was met with generally positive reviews from music critics." as the opening sentence with the target
 * I did not add this sentence since you said I should only if there are more reviews. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe the three review sites do work since there have been separate reviews from the same sites? --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , So are you saying to add this sentence? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, in the article's current state, with the sentence worded how I said with the target. --K. Peake 16:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe try to add more reviews since there is only two right now which is not enough to verify if the reception was generally positive? Though I am suggesting to add that now for when you can add more reviews to back it up.
 * If I could find other reviews, I would add. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I found the 'Bops 4 Gays' list inclusion and Yahoo! Entertainment review; I've incorporated both. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Michael Cook of Instinct wrote, "On" → "Cook wrote, "On"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure you shouldn't use own words for some of these reviews at parts since there is a heavy amount of quoting?
 * Since there aren't many reviews to draw from, I think the current level of detail is fine. The section is just one paragraph, and I think the critics opinions should be given weight since they are the few who elected to comment on the EP. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "He said the artist" → "He said that she"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Cook said Sharon Needles" → "Cook continued, stating that Sharon Needles"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "he said the artist" → "Cook explained that Sharon Needles"
 * Done, but used "opined" instead of "explained" -- I don't think Cook is explaining anything here, he is just sharing his opinion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Target pop to Pop music
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "described the EP" → "described Spoopy"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Track listing

 * Lay out like a normal album track listing, even if writer(s) and producer(s) aren't able to be added
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove Spotify from here
 * Why? Spotify has been helpful for these digital releases. Even Drag Is Magic only uses Spotify. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Since Spotify is no longer used to verify the EP's total length, I've removed use of Spotify here as well. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Track listing should be written as adapted from AllMusic and Apple Music, with both refs at the end of the statement in numerical order
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:38, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

 * right now, but are you sure this article can be broad enough in its coverage... no offence, but not every article can become a GA so I'm unsure right now? --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I know this article is shot, but I've included as much sourcing as I can find on the topic. I would say this entry is quite similar to some of the other digital releases by drag queens I've promoted to Good article status. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe I've addressed most of your concerns, but please let me know if there are things I need to revisit. Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you responded quickly, I have made some statements for you now. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! (And sorry for all the pings!) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:05, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's fine but heads up for next time, do one mention at the end of the page and then I can look upwards to respond to any comments above. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder incase you forgot (I am patient but thought you might have not noticed them), I have some queries above that you still have not replied to. --K. Peake 16:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Have done some copy editing but the only issues right now are the copyright level and that a ref is missing for the albums info: maybe use this? --K. Peake 15:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I found a source specifically about Sharon confirming all the album release dates. I've lowered the copyright score down to 73; keep in mind, part of this percentage is Sharon quoting the Urban Dictionary definition of 'spoopy', which I've removed outside the block quote but still counts as copied text. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:48, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not sure CultureFix.co.uk is a reputable publication, nor does the article say anything not confirmed by other sources. I've tried hard to get the copyright percentage down, but I'm trimmed the Spoopy definition, Universal monsters, and Baby Jane quotes as much as possible without taking out too much relevant context. Just reading the article, I feel like the current quote lengths and detail are appropriate, but I'm open to more specific suggestions. I'm hoping I've addressed your concerns but you may need to flag if there's anything left to address. Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:42, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ now as the fixes are fine and I added an archive for the Billboard ref since the tool did not seem to do that for some reason. --K. Peake 07:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 12:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)