Talk:Sport Club Corinthians Paulista/Archive 1

Stadium
Why do people keep putting Pacaembú as the Stadium of Corinthians in the flower box at the begining of the page?

Pacaembu, even though is not owned by Corinthians, is the stadium were it plays his home games. The reference footnote should be corrected. It says that Corinthians don't own a stadium, which is incorrect. Corinthians has a stadium called Alfredo Schürig, aka Fazendinha, but it is rather small for home games. Mindarolho 21:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks! --Carioca 21:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Supporters fan base
According to Lance!/IBOPE and Placar magazine, Flamengo is the most supported team, followed by Corinthians. See links below:

http://placar.abril.com.br/aberto/rankings/torcidas/index.shtml

http://lancenet.ig.com.br/news/frames/framepes.htm

Carioca 01:17, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That's correct. But where does it say otherwise on the main page? If it does, feel free to correct.--Vertigo200 06:03, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


 * But then there is the BBC Bornintheguz 17:43, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

To be honest, I would put more credibility on the Lance!/Ibope, since Ibope is a relativly respected pollester. Besides, the popular consent here in Brazil is that Flamengo is first, followed by Corinthians and then Sao Paulo.--Vertigo200 02:28, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

2005 title
The 2005 title has been all but decided in Corinthians's favour, but the matter still is in the courtrooms, as this link (specificacly the part called "Este honra as calças" and "Eis como é valente o presidente do Inter"] show that the matter has not been decided completly. Until a final legal decision or Leandro Konrad drops the matter, the title still is under judice, so we must keep it that way.--Vertigo200 17:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

That the Championship is sub judice, this is a fact. However, Internacional has not recognized Corinthians as Champions (Inter has even called FIFA into the matter). I suggest that, until no more lawsuits are pending or an agreement is reached, we report in Wikipedia the title as "sub judice" for both teams and not count it in any statistics. 201.34.87.254 11:46, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The thing is, as can be seen here in the part called "Eis como é valente o presidente do Inter", the president of Internacional has stated publicly that they will not see any further challenge in the judicial system, which must mean they accept the decision officially, even if a person connected to the team (Mr. Leandro Konrad, who is a lawyer in a company who’s founder is a counselor in the Internacional board as can be seen in the "Novidade sobre Konflaz" part of the blog) continues the lawsuit. For that reason, that the team will not seek any further lawsuits officially, one can say that officially the team recognizes Corinthians as champions, even if they are "secretly" hoping for a favorable decision. --Vertigo200 14:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I moved the "discussion" to the Campeonato Brasileiro page. I think we should try to carry the story there and not on the club's pages, even though an article only on the matter (with a "pro-Corinthians" and a "pro-Inter" section) might be the best solution. 201.34.87.254 21:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

You're solution seems fine by me, but I don't think we need to a POV "pro-Corinthians" and a "pro-Inter" section. In any case, there's a high probability that Leandro Konrad Konfranz will cease his lawsuit, given that Internacional has officially asked him to (as can be seen, where else, in Juca’s blog).--Vertigo200 23:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

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CBF, before the Campeonato Brasileiro started, made it clear that would descassefy any squad that utilized the common justice to gain any priveleges on the championship. That's the case of Internacional. As the tournment had already ended, CBF couldn't do anything about it, but it's "sister", Conmebol, the South-American confederation said that Internacional would not be included on the Libertadores da America if continue with the law suit against CBF (It's known here in Brazil that this "Leandro Konrad Konfranz" is what they call an "orange", someone to take the blame).

Frankie.

Roster
I changed roster view from bullet points to table copied from portuguese wikipedia - has more info. I also kept the name convention common in Brazil of emphasizing a player's nickname within their legal name, I think it's more clear (player nicknames will occasionally change over time), but I don't know someone who only reads English would agree. There's also an attempt at a subsection to track recent player movement, not sure how well that will work - theoretically we could keep adding subsections (keeping most recent on top) for a complete history of roster wrt tournaments. Please add input as to whether any of these changes are the way to go or not. Megamemnon 04:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Readded Rubens Junior to the "comming" section of the roster. see: http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/estaduais2006/interna/0,,OI873746-EI6201,00.html and: http://www.corinthiansfutebol.com.br/pt-br/news/noticias_detalhes.asp?id=326 Not sure why 141.156.110.227 deleted it. Claphands 06:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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Yes, Rubens Junior is the newest left wing of Corinthians. He's already been in two matches now. On the bench, but even so, he's already playing for the team.

Frankie.

About the roster, I think that keeping just the nickname (referencing a fullname entry on Wikipedia) is better. Brazilian players are refered by their nickname on European club's pages. This way, even if the player changes his nickname, there will be no difference, because the article have his fullname.

Fregonassi 20:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess I consider the fact that nicknames change the primary reason for including the full name, it allows someone unfamiliar with the player moves to track them more easily. For the European clubs this isn't as much of a concern, as there are fewer Brazilians relative to each roster.  Changing names and common usage of nicknames is why most Brazilian club roster include the full name, and I would expect would clear up potential confusion for someone less familiar with the sport.  I don't see this issue adressed anywhere in WikiProject football, does anyone know otherwise?  Cheers.  Megamemnon 03:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You can check Naming conventions (people). I suggest using the full name, because many nicknames are shared by more than one player. --Carioca 03:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, back to full names. I guess you have a good point. Fregonassi 05:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Marcelinho Carioca has not yet been aquired!!!
Stop putting him back to the transfered list.

The nogociation is underway, as soon as he is contracted, I'll put him there.

Thanks for the help.

Frankie.

http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/estaduais2006/interna/0,,OI889611-EI6201,00.html

also specific info about marcelinho (aka his history with the team) should be on his player site not on the transfer page imo Claphands 05:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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Ok, now it's ok to put Marcelinho as a transfered player. Yesterday, in the evening, he sighned the contract with the club. You've been putting his name as aquired player for a week now.

Please be accurate on your modifications.

And you're right about the specific information about Marcelinho, that I've been putting by his name. My intention was to resume a little about this player, so the person who read, would know who we're dealing with. He's an idol among the team, so I just wanted to make that clear. But you're right, I'll put that info. on his personel page.

Frankie.

Careful
Have in mind Wikipedia is not a blog or a forum, but an encyclopedia. This is not the place to keep a daily news or current championships updates. And if you have a bad english, better leave text elaboration the ones who don't. Plus, do not forget to sign your messages using the four tildes. Regards, Lesfer 16:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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All information about any subject is valid to be in an encyclopedia. If the championship of last year is there, then this years' should too. I agree on the daily news, so I'm not gonna do that, but I still think that current tournments should be listed and have the most information possible.

And if I have a bad english, that's not gonna stop me from correcting history mustakes, and adding important infromation about any subject that I know, and understand better than someone. The thing is that I was honest, and in the best interest of Wikipedia and it's users, I'd rether put my pride aside, and ask for help when I need. If you can elaborat texts, with the english mustakes you presented, I think I'm capable of doing the same.

One last thing. Sorry, but I have now idea what is "tilds", and how to use them. But if anyone is up to teach me, I'd apreciate it.

Regards, Aliberti 16:29, 23 February 2006


 * 1) I've never said this year's championship shouldn't be here. I saying this is not a daily news website, but an encyclopedia. So you should wait until the championship is over, create an article if you want to, and then add every info on it. 2) If you're seeing so many mistakes in my texts, please, use your vast knowledge and feel free to correct them. But face it: you have lots of it. Tons actually. It's pretty hard to understand your texts. It seems you're using an online translator or something. Grammar mistakes, vocabulary mistakes, and so on... it'd take a lot of time to correct them, which is why I'm gonna pass. 3) This is a tilde (~). Type four tildes after your text (on talk pages only!) and you'll be signing it. Lesfer 20:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Look, my friend, I'm new here, and I'd appreciate if, insted of recriminating me, you´d helped me. I think both parts would gain with that. And keep in mind that the "game" you're playing can be played by two people, ok? Rude answers will be responded with reciprocity.

Now, about the pages alteration:

- You putting it that way certainly obliges me to admit I was wrong. I'll delete the on-going tournaments, and add them as soon as they end.

- As for your request on correcting your English mistakes, here we go:


 * 1)"...I saying this is not..." - What the hell?! Ah, that's maybe because you're from Rio de Janeiro, right? I forgot the difference between a language, and "carioca" version of that language. 2) Please use punctuation (you do know what that is, right?)!! It's terrible to understand the meaning of your sentences... 3) No slang here, too. As you very well put it, this is an encyclopedia, not a discussion forum. 4) Knowledge slurs, name-calling and defraud does not seem to be the path a person with your reputation would go for.

- Anyhow, I don't know you, so maybe we started off on the wrong foot. Your answer to this last message will determine the way you'll be treated from now on.

Aliberti March 2nd 2006


 * There you go bringing up this stupid Rio-SP rivalry... how sad :( Look, getting angry and being such a cry baby won't take you anywhere. Try looking for some help in order to solve your issues and frustrations towards cariocas. Best wishes, Lesfer 22:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Anthem
Not sure I understand why it was removed from the page.

Claphands 22:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It was removed because the anthem is most likely copyrighted by someone, and keeping it in the article was probably a copyright violation. Also, if the anthem is in the public domain, it belongs to the Wikisource. Regards, Carioca 23:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Deco
While he did start his career with Corinthians Alagoano (though many reputable sources do have it wrong that he played with Corinthians SP), he has stated his fanaticism for the Sao Paulo Corinthians http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,AA1146195-5187,00.html as well as his desire to retire with the club http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/UCL/talkfootball/chat/newsId=368175.html Claphands 02:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

2000 FIFA World Championship
where is the history of this title? was deleted by some rival 201.56.111.28 01:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Historic Players
I would like some help from the contributors to improve the quality of the Historic Players session. Some players like Dunga and Mascherano, for example, don't have the status of historic players of Corinthians. And in my POV, the session should focus more on what the players did for the club. World Cup titles and the team they currently play is already in their "personal pages".

Fregonassi 18:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Players Hermes, Mascherano and Deco removed from the list of Historic Players. What they did for another club should not be a reason to include them in Corinthians' Historic Players list.

Fregonassi 04:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Improving
I am using the Arsenal FC featured article as a reference to edit Corinthians article. This way, we can see what should be done to improve this article. Fregonassi 20:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Including footnotes (see Footnotes) and writing about club's history. Images needed. Fregonassi 00:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism (again)
Another vandalism issue, I had some work to do, why this keep happening?? RFG19 00:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You can request for protection or semi-protection of this article here. --Carioca 01:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I've imported the text of the time of 1940 up to 54 of the wikipedia in Portuguese and expanded the history of the club

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Top Goalscorers and Appearances (from current squad)
To make it easier to update the session in the article. Vampeta is not included yet. I could not find the match reports of matches before 2003. Please update and sign after that. Fregonassi 10:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Last update by: Fregonassi 04:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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Bold player names
The notable players section had the players names in bold, but I am going to remove that as there is no explanation as to why they were bolded. It seems unnecessary. If there is a reason for it that I've missed, please describe it here as well as include an explanation in the section. Thanks, Isaiah 01:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please, remove. There is no reason to keep the player names bolded. --Carioca 02:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Aos Mano da Segundona
Pode tira essa informacao ai que eh campeao mundial q nao eh nao champz.. pra ser campeao mundial tem que passar pela Libertadores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.81.60.248 (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ENGLISH TRANSLATION: YOU NEED FIRST TO WIN LIBERTADORES OF AMERICA IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER YOURSELF WORLD CHAMPION. FAKE INFORMATION, DO THE JUSTICE WITH REAL BRAZILIAN WORLD CHAMPIONS! AMERICAN CHAMPION FIRST, WORLD CHAMPION AFTER! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.81.60.248 (talk) 19:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

BetacommandBot (talk) 06:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a controversial question, as indeed Corinthians won the World Club Cup in 2000 without winning the Copa Libertadores first. Because it is a very controversial question, this title should be listed in Corinthians article. Wikipedia is not the place to decide if Corinthians is or is not a World Champion. The article should mention that Corinthians participated in the 2000 World Club Cup as hosts, though. --Carioca (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a controversial question. FIFA introduse rule about home team @CWC and accordingly this rule Corinthians became title winner. And they beat 1998 Libertadores Cup, 2000 Mercosur Cup winner and 2000 Brasilian champions, Vasco da Gama. So, there were two officialy best clubs in the world in 2000: Boca Juniors (Intercontinental Cup winner) and Corinthins. That's all. By the way, I don't like Corinthins very much, but we must be objective.--Soul Train (talk) 09:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Superleague Formula templates
I've started a discussion about the use of the Superleague Formula templates on football club articles at Template talk:Superleague Formula following some discussion at Talk:Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. Since this article features the template, your views would be welcome. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Kits
I noticed their kits pictures in the info bit under their badge, they have the sponsor put onto the kit. No other club Ive seen has this, how come they do?? ---Matt 22:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidulantes (talk • contribs)
 * Check File:Kit body sccp08h.png, File:Kit body sccp08a.png and File:Kit body sccp08t.png. Those are the kits files. The sponsors were painted on the shirts. Hope that helps. --Carioca (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Not really, I dont understand why they have the sponsors on their shirts when no other team Ive come across does. ---Matt 17:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidulantes (talk • contribs)
 * If you wish, you can replace those kits, and add generic ones, as the current kits are overdetailed. --Carioca (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
I tried to clean some of the article's grammar and point-of-view problems, but neglected to leave an edit summary. InspectorSands (talk) 21:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi! Thanks for improving the article. Regards, --Carioca (talk) 21:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

unofficial pages
Facebook

Twitter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diogenessantana (talk • contribs) 00:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Twitter and Facebook are not relevant Corinthians pages, thus they can not be included in the article. --Carioca (talk) 21:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:sport honours
Strange, but it doesn't work for 2000 FIFA Club WC. Correct it, please.--Soul Train (talk) 09:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Coat of arms image
Please, change it to this one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pt/b/b4/Corinthians_simbolo.png

The symbol that was put is an amateur draw, and this one I'm suggesting is an official, used in the Portuguese article of Sport Clube Corintnhians Paulista.

Thank you!

César — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.144.16.2 (talk) 15:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you create an account, you can upload yourself. Hope that helps! --Carioca (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Stadium ownership and use
Axtschlag (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC) I watched the last correction, and I'm inclined to disagree. There's no use to misguide a foreign researcher in falsely believing that Pacaembú is somehow 'exclusive' of Corinthians use. It's a municipal funded and administrated stadium, used for many minor leagues beside São Paulo Championship and 'Brasileirão'. The Parque São Jorge is a fully functional and original stadium that actually belongs to the football team, and the Pacaembú stadium is also used by other teams than Corinthians, whenever there are issues with the team's stadium, or any arbitrary decision from the sport legal instances. It's also found further in the text, and it may confuse when there's not a specific description of the situation.

The association of the team with the stadium is a biased 'fan' view, and I believe it deeply distorts the information.

For a quick solution, it could be added, by the side tag, another categories, the "Mandatory Stadium" together with "Stadium" (ownership).
 * I agree with your infobox suggestion and in the Portuguese-language Wikipedia they have both fields ("Mandatory Stadium" and "Stadium" (ownership)). You can suggest that in the template's talk page and/or in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. In the mean time, probably some note explaining which is the club's owned stadium and which stadium the club plays their home games would be great. Parque São José currently is not being used for anything, is not used even as a training ground. --Carioca (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try to reach it later, as I am a complete and total lame in wikisource editing and coding, and hopefully attract some attention to the matter, whereas it can be corrected later, if I can. Thanks for the feedback, anyway. Axtschlag (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Home Color Uniform is wrong!
See how it's correct at the Portuguese version of this article: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_Club_Corinthians_Paulista — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.144.16.2 (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I corrected the uniforms. Let me know if you liked the corrections. --Carioca (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Colours
It is mentioned in the article that the English side Corinthian FC wore pink and brown shirts. I think that may be the other team - Casuals FC, who in 1939 merged with Corinthian to form Corinthian-Casuals FC, who also play in pink and brown. However, Corinthian have always played in white with dark shorts, as do Corinthians Paulista, who adopted both their name and their colours. BigSteve (talk) 12:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

São Paulo State Championship (Campeonato Paulista)
Can someone help me here? I'm not very good at this, and I just started to contribuit to Wikipedia. Not only my english is terrible, but I'm not that good on programing stuff. I put the information about the tournment till now, including the ranking.

Can someone correct the mastakes?

Thanks for the help.

Frankie.

Libertadores da América
I added a text about the Libertadores da América, just like I did with the Campeonato Paulista. Now it isn't there, and nothing counts on the history. What's going on?

Plus, I added some other information on the Campeonato Paulista, and that's not there too!!!

Unexplained deletion
Thanks carioca, it was some kind of browser bug.

Mascot
The club's mascot is the Musketeer (Mosqueteiro) Patron saint is São Jorge - Portuguese for Saint George

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Coringão = Big Joker
I added a tranlation for "Coringão", which is "Big Joker"... "Coringa" is "joker" (from cards game) in English and with an "ão" ending means "Big Joker", one of Corithians' nicknames.

Sir, the only joker/clown is u, Idiot I hope you didn't believe I woundn't find out who did this because u didn't sign your name. I'm going to report u for vandalism. 71.58.217.47 (talk) 01:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)