Talk:Spot Fish

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Brought this from spot croaker page where I have been removing falsehoods and correcting facts. Please reference official state owned or university owned pages or books where any information added was taken from.

Official references for the reason of removing Spot Croaker page and updating as spot fish are listed below

http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/Leiosto_xanthu.htm http://vafwis.org/fwis/booklet.html?&bova=010246&Menu=_.Taxonomy&version=16493 http://www.chesapeakebay.net/fieldguide/critter/spot http://www.mrc.virginia.gov/vswft/Angler_Guide/angler_web_guide.pdf http://www.dnr.sc.gov/marine/species/spot.html http://www.ncbeaches.com/Features/Sealife/Fish/ - see Spot I will continue to add more facts and correct incorrect data from previous article

Cheatspace (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... (your reason here) --Cheatspace (talk) 21:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The original page labeled Spot Croaker was full of incorrect information, Spot fish are not croaker's they are a type of Drum. I have included official state / federal documentation supporting this on the talk page.

You have tagged the corrected page Spot Fish for speedy deletion, The reason I created Spot Fish page was to correct the name of the fish, It is not in any way shape or form known as a croaker, i have submitted information supporting this yet you blatantly ignored this information. I have listed the reference information below

http://www.mrc.virginia.gov/vswft/Angler_Guide/angler_web_guide.pdf - PAGE 73 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheatspace (talk • contribs) 21:14, 27 February 2015 (UTC) http://vafwis.org/fwis/booklet.html?&bova=010246&Menu=_.Taxonomy&version=16493 (linked from the Virginia Wildlife Game & Fisheries main website) http://www.chesapeakebay.net/fieldguide/critter/spot (Chesapeake Bay Foundation) Brought this from spot croaker page where I have been removing falsehoods and correcting facts. Please reference official state owned or university owned pages or books where any information added was taken from.

Official references for the reason of removing Spot Croaker page and updating as spot fish are listed below

http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/Leiosto_xanthu.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheatspace (talk • contribs) 22:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC) http://vafwis.org/fwis/booklet.html?&bova=010246&Menu=_.Taxonomy&version=16493 http://www.chesapeakebay.net/fieldguide/critter/spot http://www.mrc.virginia.gov/vswft/Angler_Guide/angler_web_guide.pdf http://www.dnr.sc.gov/marine/species/spot.html http://www.ncbeaches.com/Features/Sealife/Fish/ - see Spot

(IN NONE OF THESE IS IT CALLED A CROAKER - IT DOES NOT CROAK) To lable this fish the Spot Croaker is to incorrectly list the species.

I will continue to add more facts and correct incorrect data from previous article

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... (your reason here) --Cheatspace (talk) 21:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The original page labled Spot Croaker was full of incorrect information, Spot fish are not croaker's they are a type of Drum. I have included official state / federal documentation supporting this on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheatspace (talk • contribs) 21:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Please read Content forking. Wikipedia does not fork articles in order to change “incorrect information.” Instead we change the information on the original page. You need to work with the editors of the original article to reach a consensus on content and title of the article. —teb728 t c 07:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would help start the discussion if you posted some of the info above at Talk:Spot croaker. —teb728 t c 09:26, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Merge needed!
This appears to be a good faith attempt to improve the encyclopedia. It seems clear to me that what is needed here is a merge, not a speedy delete, as there is apparently much additional information in this new version of the article. I will try to contact a fish expert here on WP to see if he is prepared to do the necessary merging, which would perhaps requite a fair bit of careful work checking the references and so on. Invertzoo (talk) 21:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

For individuals Disputing the integrity of the information I have posted
Please check out the following books from your local library.

Fishes of Chesapeake Bay: A Guides to Freshtwater and Saltwater Species

Saltwater Fishes North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia: A Guide to Inshore and Offshore Species

Ken Schultz's Field Guide to Saltwater Fish

The Illustrated Guide to Marine Fish of the World

Encyclopedia of Marine Science

Encyclopedia of the Aquatic World

Encyclopedia of Coastal Science

None of these books will you at all find the Spot(fish) referred to by or referenced as a croaker.

Also check out these 2 videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P447yPGN8wM - notice no sound coming from the fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtiPtWT9mnk - croaker(NOT A SPOT) croaking.

Oh and so i am not called bias. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=spot+croaking find 1 video showing a spot croaking(Unedited) I will donate $10,000 to Wikipedia and recant my article. All you will find are Atlantic & White Croakers.

Cheatspace (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyright issues
Upon further review, the article is substantially copied from http://www.sms.si.edu/IRLSpec/Leiosto_xanthu.htm. I don't see where this site has a free license, but I'm looking. Can anybody point clearly to their terms of use? —C.Fred (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Here --Epipelagic (talk) 00:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Quoting from the FAQ there: "May I use Smithsonian Content on t-shirts that I plan to sell? / No, this would be a commercial use. If you wish to make a commercial use, you must obtain prior written permission." For Wikipedia purposes, a license with a no commercial use clause is not a free license, so this is non-free material, used so extensively as to infringe copyright. —C.Fred (talk) 00:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree completely with C.Fred, a source cannot be used UNLESS it allows commercial use. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyright release
@C.Fred & @Epipelagic & @Joseph2302

I have emailed the Smithsonian Institute for permission to use the information in hole which is located @ http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/Leiosto_xanthu.htm Once I obtain this release. I will then remove the violation page & provide a copy of the official release to use the information on this talk page.

is this agreeable & sufficient. Cheatspace (talk) 01:43, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * We'd need them to email Wikipedia directly to verify the donation of material, and it would need to be for unlimited commercial reuse, not just "for Wikipedia only" reuse. —C.Fred (talk) 01:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)