Talk:Spray (sailing vessel)

One might note there's a fictional Spray in the Wheel of Time. --Falos 00:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The included quotation is far too long for this article and should be cut down by 80% or more. Just link to the appropriate point in the book for anyone who wants to read the rest since there are many online editions. 24.136.6.69 06:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Seaworthiness negotiable?
I find the last paragraph--on seaworthiness--pretty odd. To my (very inexpert) knowledge, the very idea of (smaller) freak waves and white squalls etc. is that a seemingly sea-worthy boat or ship can turn out to be not at all seaworthy when simply running into conditions that are rare, but not unheard of. Although I don't like other parts of the book (particularly the section on the Pamir), Tall Ships Down argues reasonably that a ship's stability or resistence to capsizing can be clearly underestimated by the captains.

I'd like to delete the respective parts of the paragraph. --Ibn Battuta (talk) 05:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Added Infobox
98.196.146.113 (talk) 23:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Stability Analysis
I cannot track down the Chapelle quote. Other quotes by Chapelle in Slack (cited in article pp. 57-60, 67-69) do not mention the boat's stability -- an omission that implies Slack also found no mention by this expert. I question the validity of this quote and recommend it be considered for deletion.

The sources cited in the article, including Slack, speak favorably of Spray's stability. Slack determined the boat to be eminently seaworthy, as have other sources cited and seagoing replicas of the original.

98.196.146.113 (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

If you search Google Books using 'Slocum Spray Chapelle', there are a couple of hits that indirectly reference Chapelle's analysis claiming that the vessel was unstable. Most of these are recent books not available except in "snippet view" on Google Books, so you would have to track down the originals if you want an exact quote. Nevertheless, there does not appear to be a good reason at this time to remove the claim from the article. Also, while it is worth mentioning that many seagoing replicas have been built, they do not by themselves prove stability of the original vessel.216.80.110.88 (talk) 01:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Attribution
Text and references copied from Spray to Strait of Magellan, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 17:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

History
As a historical aside on something I stumbled upon that may later be determined to have a connection, the New York Times in 1860 mentions a sloop, the Spray, which was damaged in a collision after its owner and his brother were apparently murdered and robbed in their berths at night, the article imputes. The article notes it had been stated it was an oyster sloop but was actually a market sloop Negarc (talk) 01:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)at the time. In the ensuing 35 years before Slocum rebuilt a sloop named "Spray" this boat may have ended up in Massachusetts, where his sloop was. The article is scanned and viewable (perhaps a NYT subscription is needed) at: https://www.nytimes.com/1860/03/27/archives/the-mystery-of-the-sloop-spray-evidences-of-murder-discovers-on.html P.S. Wikipedia has an entry about the trial of the person apprehended in the murder, which mentions it was a 30-ton boat ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Jackalow Negarc (talk) 01:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Negarc,
 * I may have some information on the history of the Spray that I don't think I've seen mentioned anywhere before. My great-great grandfather Charles Moody was a carpenter, house builder, ship builder, and furniture joiner in Margaretville, Nova Scotia from about 1870/71 onward. In an old family scrapbook, we found a clipping from a newspaper, the Middleton Outlook, from 1901:
 * "Captain J. McGranahan has purchased a building from Mr. Charlie Moody and converted it into a carriage house. It was in this building Mr. Moody built the boat ‘Ocean Spray’ in which Capt. Slocomb made his illustrious voyage around the world. The boat will be on exhibition at the Pan American fair at Buffalo, N.Y. this summer."
 * From this short article, it seems that it was community knowledge at the time that the "Ocean Spray" (as it was known when built?) was built by Moody in Margaretville. Unfortunately the article doesn't go into more detail (what happened to the ship in the intervening years? How and when did it end up in Massachusetts?), it's just mentioned as an aside. I will try to get a more precise citation from the Outlook (date/volume/page).
 * (Original Research and speculation follows). I know from family research that Charles travelled back and forth between Nova Scotia and Mass frequently. He moved to Mass in 1869, where he married and had his first son. The family moved back to NS by 1871 (as they are present in the census), and it was at this time they settled in Margaretville. So it would be unlikely that he would have been building ships in Margaretville before 1871. That would put the date of the build on/after 1871, and before 1892, when Slocomb became aware of the ship. Further, the lot that Charles owned in Margaretville (Lot 3 on Seaman St) was bought by him in 1872, and later sold in 1885, so that seems a more likely upper/lower bound on when the Spray was built there. 142.112.93.33 (talk) 17:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)