Talk:Springbok

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The word Springbok was also used as the radio callsign for South African Airways- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.101.12 (talk) 23:10, 10 September 2004 (UTC)

--Note: Just added a talk on the wrong page, sorry about that.- — Preceding unsigned comment added by JHMM13 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Translation
Strictly, "bok" is primary a _male_ goat (billy-goat), like "buck" in English. 88.159.72.144 (talk) 23:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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move to Springbok (antelope) and leave the disambiguation page at Springbok, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 08:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC) Springbok Antelope → Springbok — The springbok is almost never known as the "springbok antelope": it is simply the springbok. The animal is the primary meaning, the other usages listed at springbok being named after it. So, I think this article should be at springbok, and the page currently there moved to springbok (disambiguation). —Alivemajor 01:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Neither - I suggest Springbok (antelope) as a better choice, as there are valid alternative uses for Springbok that are used frequently, but also agree that Springbok Antelope is clunky and not correct. Greenman 08:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither - I agree with Greenman. -- Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Support but with springboks continuing to redirect to South Africa national rugby union team. —  AjaxSmack   07:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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Requested move (2010)

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The result of the move request was: pages moved per request and discussion. It's true that the rugby team gets a lot more hits on a seasonal basis, but the antelope is a clear common-sense primary topic. If there's a better hatnote to use than the one I added, please edit accordingly. - GTBacchus(talk) 03:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Springbok (antelope) → Springbok — The animal is the primary topic from which the other subjects derive their names. This has previously been discussed, but consensus was not clearly established. Paul_012 (talk) 10:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Springbok → Springbok (disambiguation)
 * Oppose The claim is, essentially, that the antelope is the primary topic.  Whilst I may be sympathetic to that view, a quick Google search indicates the opposite.  Searching in English, excluding Wikipedia, produces the following:
 * Springbok plus animal: 104,000 hits
 * Springbok plus antelope: 46,400 hits
 * Springbok plus mammal: 31,400 hits
 * Springbok plus rugby: 637,000 hits
 * Springbok: 1,680,000 hits
 * Skinsmoke (talk) 11:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The animal is the only unambiguous springbok except for the town (Springbok, Northern Cape).  Other uses are derivative and are located at articles with other titles.  —   AjaxSmack   21:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I must Oppose per Skinsmoke's evidence, and the pageview statistics for June:
 * Springbok (antelope): 14,922 views
 * South Africa national rugby union team: 58,378 views (plus or including (not sure) 6,184 via Springboks redirect)
 * Springbok, Northern Cape: 684 views
 * I find this state of affairs disappointing, and I would not support redirecting Springbok to the rugby team's article, but the antelope just doesn't qualify as the primary topic. Powers T 21:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Springboks (plural) should continue to redirect to South Africa national rugby union team but saying that a lot of people read that article doesn't mean they were searching for "springbok". —   AjaxSmack   21:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's true; Skinsmoke's Google numbers are more compelling, but I thought I'd offer the pageview stats for additional data. Powers T 23:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Google numbers merely establish that there are a lot of web pages with both the word "springbok(s)" and "rugby". Especially in this kind of case, they do not clarify encyclopedic usage.  Cf. another similar animal case, gamecock, where university mascots, rather than the primary topic bird, dominate the Google results.  —   AjaxSmack   03:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not entirely, but they also certainly don't support the animal being the primary usage, either. Powers T 13:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Just to clarify, the search I quoted was for the exact term Springbok, and therefore excludes instances of Springboks (unless both appear on the same page).  Must admit, I was surprised at the results, but it largely comes down to the habit of referring to individual members of the rugby team as a Springbok.  Skinsmoke (talk) 10:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Disambiguation via views alone is never a wise decision. If you look up Springbok in a dictionary, the primary definition (often the only definition, actually) given is for the animal. Clearly WP:PRIMARYTOPIC suggests it makes the most sense to perform this move. Steven Walling  21:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment We are not a dictionary.  We are an encyclopedia.  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC suggests nothing of the sort.  It states There are no absolute rules for determining which topic is most likely to be sought by readers; decisions are made by discussion between editors, often as a result of a requested move. Tools that may help to support the determination of a primary topic in a discussion, but are not determining factors, include: Wikipedia:Vital articles: if exactly one of the ambiguous articles is a vital article, the encyclopedia is improved by making it is the primary topic; Incoming wikilinks from Special:WhatLinksHere; Wikipedia article traffic statistics; Google web, news, scholar, or book searches.  Both terms, I would suggest, are vital articles.  Google searches and article traffic statistics suggest there is no primary topic.  To choose a primary topic the evidence should be overwhelming.  The evidence in this case simply isn't there, whatever you, I or Nelson Mandela may wish.   Skinsmoke (talk) 07:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying we should blindly follow the dictionary, because that's what we are. Don't be facetious for rhetorical purposes. I'm saying that having it be the only definition in a dictionary lends credence to the idea that the animal "Springbok" is the primary topic for the term "Springbok", not some sports team whose nickname is borrowed from the primary usage, no matter how many hits it gets.  Steven Walling  18:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The primary topic is the article, if any, more commonly sought than any other article when readers search for a particular ambiguous phrase. I'm not sure how you can read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and get the impression that it has anything to do with which usages are listed in a dictionary. "How many hits it gets" is exactly the criteria that the guideline is concerned with. Propaniac (talk) 17:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Having the animal as Springbok and the rugby team linked to Springboks is okay by me. Springboks is only a nickname for the rugby team and if someone is looking for an individual player there are going to look under that person's name, not Springbok. Cjc13 (talk) 13:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per Steven Walling. Quite clearly the primary topic in any "common sense" sense of the term. All other uses of "Springbok" are derivative. "Springboks" in a sporting sense is a nickname only and not a formal team name that requires disambiguation. If the policy does not allow this common sense move then quite frankly the policy needs changing (or ignoring in this instance). -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:15, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have never liked Ghits and I don't buy into pageview because people simply quote one months pageview stats and extrapolate them without considering whether those figures might be anomalies. The figures quoted above are for June 2010, yet if we look at May, June and July 2010 it is clear that pageview stats are not stable indicators of anything:
 * Springbok (antelope): May 2010 (16,255 views), June 2010 (14,922 views), July 2010 (9,462 views)
 * South Africa national rugby union team: May 2010 (52,518 views), June 2010 (58,378 views), July 2010 (36,463 views)
 * What we have to bear in mind is that pageview stats are going to be higher for the rugby article because every time the team plays a major international match, a lot of South Africans will look at the article. In the last three months they have had all sorts of matches such as the Vodacom Tri-Nations. However if we look at December 2009, when there are fewer rugby fixtures, we have:
 * Springbok (antelope): December 2009 (14,627 views)
 * South Africa national rugby union team: December 2009 (3,579 views)
 * From that are we supposed to assume anything? The answer is yes, NEVER assume statistics are showing you the true picture. Green Giant (talk) 05:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - the antelope is clearly the common sense primary topic with the others derived from it. Green Giant (talk) 05:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
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Move discussion in progress
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Performance speed and jump: springbok best athlete ground mammals
The springbok is a gazelle or an antelope of South Africa, springboks are very extremely fast until 55 mph (88 km/h) on average on 2 kilometers, with a peak speed 71 mph (115 km/h) on 400 meters (recorded "Smithers on 1983"), and hold 30 mph (48 km/h) on 6 kilometers, this gazelle gone up on springs can also make record jumps for 4 meters in the airs upright and up to 15 meters in length. Springbok gazelle, athlete of the ground mammal are the best. It is the small colored and graceful antelope which re-seems strong in the Thomson's gazelle, but distinguishes itself from it by some characteristics: his size (the springbok is higher in the shoulder), its horns, its geographical distribution, the springbok is a part of real genus " Gazella ", but it is a only genre " Antidorcas Marsupialis ", he also possesses a pocket of length white hairs snows at the level of the back train, as well as develop the muscle of springs at the level of the thighs who allows her to make spectacular jumps sometimes.

Reality cuts of top in the shoulder of springboks: 73 - 87 cm


 * Males: 77 - 87 cm (average males 82 cm)
 * Females: 72 - 82 cm (average females 77 cm)

The average of the species generally 80 cm.

Mass:


 * Males: 32 kg - 48 kg (average males 40 kg)
 * Females: 23 kg - 38 kg (average females 30 kg)

The average mass of the springboks is of 35 kg. --Angel310 (talk) 10:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Radio
I've listened to some South African radio programs from the 1960s and some were on Springbok radio. I don't know if that was the only South African radio station or what, but shouldn't that be mentioned in this article? Jtyroler (talk) 21:48, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's significant enough to be mentioned here, given how long it's been off the air, and that it wasn't the main station of it's day (which would have warranted mention under "national symbols"). Having said that, I can see no reason why it shouldn't be listed at the dab page linked to at the top of the article. Anaxial (talk) 10:08, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

South African English?
Shouldn't this be marked as "South African English", not "British English"?--&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 03:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)


 * What are the differences between the two that affect this article? MPS1992 (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think written SA English is pretty much identical to UK English? Apart from maybe some extra loanwords from other languages. FunkMonk (talk) 08:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


 * South African English is very distinct. Pronking is a SA term, that English people call stotting, frinstance. Billyshiverstick (talk) 02:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Map of Africa
The map of Africa shows South Sudan as part of Sudan. This should be corrected.Liam McGreevy (talk) 17:10, 29 April 2019 (UTC) Liam McGreevy

Semi Colons and Sentence Structure
Hi all, when articles go main page, I consider it an invitation to work on the English. This article has nice facts, but the sentences and paragraphs convey them poorly. Generally, when you see a semi-colon, or colon, it means the sentence has failed. I fixed a bunch of them, but I invite other editors to jump in and re-write these sentences better. There is a lot of minor repetition, and there are a lot of "in fact" and other pieces of fluff. cheers all Billyshiverstick (talk) 02:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree - and also an oppertunity to review taxonomic context - see below. Roy Bateman (talk) 06:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Higher taxonomy
I moved the higher taxonomy section to the genus page, where I think it is better placed and makes this article more concise. I hope this is not contraversial! Roy Bateman (talk) 06:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)