Talk:Springfield Model 1892–99

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Name of article - should be redirected to Krag-Jørgensen
According to my sources - primarily the book "the American Krag Rifle and Carbine" by Joe Poyer, ISBN 188239131-4, North Cape Publications Inc., the Krag in US service was never known neither formally nor informally as a 'Springfield'. Therefore the name of this article is misleading and plain wrong, and it should be redirected to the relevant section of the article on the Krag-Jørgensen. WegianWarrior (talk) 08:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * While the title needs improvement, the US series of Krag rifles have a large and unique history from the Danish and Norwegian rifles. As a user has already noted in the talk section over there, the info and emphasis on the US rifles seem to push out the Scandinavian Krags.  As I said over there, combining the two articles would be like combining the various Mauser articles into just "Mauser (rifle)" -- it wouldn't present either the American or the Scandinavian families of rifles clearly. TeamZissou (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

The sources I most rely on refer to this rifle as the U.S. Krag (year), the U.S. Model (year) (Krag-Jorgensen), or simply the Krag. Model (year) may be 1892, 1896, 1898, etc. I am not finding authoritative sources refering to this rifle as a Springfield; in fact, where they use 'Springfield rifle' by itself, the ref is usually to the Model 1903 .30-03 or .30-06 rifles and not to the Krag .30-40 rifle. Naaman Brown (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The sources your sources are citing refer to it as a Springfield, as that's what it's commonly called in government documents from the 1890s to WWI. Today, we generally refer to these rifles by "M189x Krag".TeamZissou (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

M1903 "tied as shortest serving rifle"? Huh?
The 1903 Springfield served as standard issue from 1903 up until the Garand was adopted in the late 1930s, and was still a "standard arm" up until the end of the war, in front line use in the early years. How could it "tie" with a rifle that only served 11 years? If there was some difference in the early models of 1903 that they changed on the adoption of the .30-06, that might explain it...but that would be a service period of 3 years, and I've never heard of this, or of them changing the designation...it's still the same rifle. AnnaGoFast (talk) 05:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh, I sort of see..."with the introduction of the M1093 the rifle is tied with the shortest service life..." - just confusingly written. Meaning "when it was replaced, it became one of the shortest-serving weapons, etc" - tied with what? Couldn't this be written better? AnnaGoFast (talk) 05:33, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The statement is still incorrect as it currently stands. It would have to say “…the shortest service life of any standard issue rifle in US Army history” to be true. I believe the Colt M1909 Revolver holds the title with a whopping two years. The M1885 Remington-Lee Navy (1885-1895) and M1895 Winchester-Lee Navy (1895-1898 or 1895-1903) both had shorter lives as the USN/USMC standard issue rifle. Tenacious Trilobite (talk) 19:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Primary image and last image in history need updates
The Model ‘98 in both of these images has a modified cocking piece, not the same style used in service. If someone has better images handy, that’d work. Otherwise I can take some pictures of mine and try to figure out how to upload and attribute own work. Tenacious Trilobite (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2024
The primary image of the article shows a Krag with a modified cocking piece rather than the style that was used in service. I have taken a suitable replacement image of my original unmodified US M1896 Krag cavalry carbine and M1896 Krag infantry rifle, along with original .30-40 ammunition and accoutrements:



https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_M1896_Krag_Rifle_and_Carbine_(Tenacious_Trilobite_2024).jpg Tenacious Trilobite (talk) 00:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Geardona (talk to me?) 00:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)