Talk:Spruce Production Division

My ears were burning
Like magic, eventually the psychic pull of Wikipedia pixels and the collective energy of WP:ORE somehow alerted me I should log into Wikipedia today. I guess my tinfoil hat stopped working. Nicely done! Valfontis (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The development seems to be going pretty quickly. Move to mainspace soon, after moving the notes into article info.? Jsayre64   (talk)  23:49, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that the article has been reviewed by Valfontis, I'm much more confident it may be ready for primetime. tedder (talk) 16:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't actually review it, but it did pass a spellcheck! Valfontis (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, it's now copyedited. I need to reread it for sense--I get the impression there is some unnecessary repetition. Valfontis (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a couple things I want to put in about the LLLL and my fave old dead guy but I can always do that in the mainspace if we want to move this over soon.


 * And of course, we can just move the notes to the talk page if we don't get them all incorporated.


 * We do also need to have some fancy commemorative banner on the talk page. Here's a start. It should be more fancy pantsy, like Aunt Betty's bloomers. Candles, cake, etc? --Esprqii (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

(moving left). Yes, we need candles on a cake. Valfontis- the "notes" section are references that I parsed that need to be integrated. I think you've dealt with those in a previous life. I'm hoping someone who is good at writing text will do so. Otherwise, I think it needs to be resectioned. tedder (talk) 20:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This image or this one, slightly different have a candle on a cake. But that might associate this milestone with a birthday. We're treating it like one, though! :-) This is more casual/common, but maybe it would work:

— Jsayre64  (talk)  02:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * First, shouldn't this get moved over to mainspace soon? Second, the Dictionary of Oregon History's entry says John B. Yeon was one of the folks who conceived of the idea, and here are the sources it lists: Oregon Journal Magazine 8/30/1931 p 4; Oregonian Sunday Magazine 11/5/1939 p 4. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * User:Steven Walling sent an email out to the PDX Wiki group about the Wikimedia Foundation's 10th anniversary coming up on January 15. Since it's their 10th...and our 10,000th article...what if we held off until January and released it then as our special present? Might be kind of a cool tie-in. Maybe we can try and get some peer review/good article review/featured status?? before then? I'm sure that in honor of the anniversary people could look at it in the project space. I dunno. Just a goofy thought. --Esprqii (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Like AM, I would prefer to move this to the mainspace soon so we can get on to another great collaboration. It's a cool idea, but "They didn't finish that until mid-January? What a lazy group!" is not what we want people to think. This might work instead is if something goes terribly wrong and truly takes so much work that we can't release it until then. Just my opinion. Jsayre64   (talk)  03:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

More bits for SPD in WA
Found these searching for architect Gould's connection with the WA lumber camp design:
 * http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=7576
 * http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=8397
 * http://www.washington.edu/uwired/outreach/cspn/Website/Classroom%20Materials/Curriculum%20Packets/High%20Lead%20Logging/I.html

Watch out for vampires. Though if we can work Forks, Washington into the article it may boost its page hits! Valfontis (talk) 05:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Other pages that link to SPD, etc.

 * Agate Beach, Oregon
 * Kernville, Oregon

It actually sounds like most of Lincoln County was involved in the war effort. Other search terms: "Spruce Soldiers" and "Spruce Squadrons", "Spruce Division". The guys were also called "sprucers".

History, charts, other cool stuff:
 * http://swansongrp.com/spruce.html

History of the Port of Toledo has some stuff:


 * http://www.portoftoledo.org/Hitchman%20History%20for%20Website%20PDF.pdf

Valfontis (talk) 05:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Railroads

 * Spruce Production Division Railroad Nos. 1 (I)-?? Teh Google
 * "Spruce Railroad"
 * See also Spruce Railroad Trail


 * Pics

Valfontis (talk) 05:44, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There are also these photographs, of which I've already uploaded the first two. Jsayre64   (talk)  15:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles Tedder has for someone else to consume, email me

 * "Spruce and the Airplane", SF Chronicle
 * "Spruce production division is halted", CSM
 * "WOOD FOR THE WAR" Columbian
 * "TURN IN TIDE IS FOR DISQUE", LATimes, mentions mill in Lincoln County
 * Note that most information from these news articles has been used. Jsayre64   (talk)  22:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jsayre! tedder (talk) 04:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Possible DYK Nomination

 * DYK …that during World War I the United States Army recruited over 28,000 soldiers for the Spruce Production Division and used them to harvest Sitka spruce in the Pacific Northwest?
 * Nominated. Jsayre64   (talk)  21:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Other bits
-- Jsayre64  (talk)  18:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ward Tonsfeldt has done some research on this.
 * ISBN 9780549677390: Battle for the body: Work and environment in the Pacific Northwest lumber industry, 1800--1940 Erik Loomis
 * In the Pacific Northwest Quarterly, "spruce" is on page 101 of the index.
 * Look at the Spruce Production Corporation, especially this legal case
 * and A. B. Hammond: "During World War I, the U.S. Army identified Hammond as the single largest owner of Sitka spruce timberland in Oregon. Only the lumber from Sitka spruce was suitable for airplane manufacture."
 * Pic of old tracks near Beverly Beach in 1963.

architect
I added some info from this very interesting article, plus additional material on his other works, to the Carl F. Gould architect article, in these edits. Great job on the collaboratively written article, y'all! --Doncram (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yipee! Jsayre64   (talk)  04:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Prose
At the end of the Production section:

"And all wire rope manufactured in the west, as well as anything shipped in, was controlled by the spruce division per Colonel Disque. " 'There was a serious shortage of wire rope when Col. Disque took charge of the spruce production campaign,' he declared.""

The "and" at the beginning of the sentence doesn't really work. It seems like there are some transitional words missing here. Also, who is the 'he' who declared that there was a shortage of wire rope? ManfromButtonwillow (talk) 06:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Good find. I replaced the "And" with "Furthermore," as that sentence seems to support the one before it. The last sentence was quoting a quote in a newspaper article, and I just eliminated the double-quote. Jsayre64   (talk)  16:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I had gone through the article, and those were my only questions. Very interesting read! Thanks! 32.175.163.247 (talk) 09:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC) (manfrombuttonwillow, reading/editing from my phone..)

Article in OHQ
I just noticed an article in the Spring 2011 Oregon Historical Quarterly issue, by Kathleen Crosman, titled "The Army in the Woods: Spruce Production Division Records at the National Archives." I've taken some notes from it and I don't have time to incorporate them tonight, but perhaps tomorrow or Saturday I will. Other OHS subscribers are welcome to help. :-) -- Jsayre64  (talk)  05:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Jsayre64  (talk)  00:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Source for expansion

 * see p. 107 of this issue of Oregon Voter -- Preceding unsigned comment by 16:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Great find, Pete! This gives data for the number of board feet produced during each (well, almost each) month the division was working. And when I saw that, having not made some population graphs recently due to others' concern about doing so, I thought: line graph! So here's what I've got. Again, maybe a table would be more appropriate, so I'll wait before putting this in the article right away. Besides, it seems pretty crowded with images. -- Jsayre64  (talk)  02:22, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm going to be bold and add the graph as a link. Jsayre64   (talk)  14:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

FA?
Does anyone think this article might even meet the FA criteria? I've never dealt with a featured article review before, but the GA review went pretty smoothly. Jsayre64  (talk)  23:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Spruce Squadrons
I'm surprised the nickname isn't mentioned. I'd just stick it in without a source but since it's a good article I'll just mention it here because this is a drive-by and I got not time for refs. Proof from teh Google. Valfontis (talk) 04:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)