Talk:Spyridon Marinatos/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Will take this on in the following days. Constantine  ✍  21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lede
 * The 'Nikolaou' is the patronymic, I would leave it out as it would confuse readers, unless it is actually used to refer to him in scholarship.
 * Done. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Would the cemeteries of Tsepi and Vranas warrant WP:REDLINKs?
 * I've done so; Vranas has a Greek wiki article. There's probably enough to pull together something short on Tsepi. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * link to 4th of August Regime
 * Done (though this means losing the link on fascist). UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * since the dates of the junta have been mentioned, they can be left out.
 * Reworked to do so. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Early career and education
 * This reads as if Marinatos was active only in Crete, and continuously so until 1952. Later in the text it is clear that this is not so, but still some rephrasing might be in order, e.g. 'He would go on to periodically conduct excavations in Crete until 1952'...
 * Rephrased to that effect. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 'at the site of the Minoan palace of Knossos', for context?
 * Done. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * recommend replacing with full stop and splitting the sentences. Ditto for and
 * Done, except for the last: I think it reads better with the colon, as the two halves are closely linked, and it isn't that much longer unsplit. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * is this still in 1936-37? The Nazis had not even occupied Austria at that time.
 * Still to do: I vaguely remember it being Prague and Austria, but as you say, the dates don't really add up. Will check the source UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done: it was 1939: I've rearranged material to suit the fixed chronology. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Link enemy alien
 * Done. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a few duplicate links, e.g. Mycenae, University of Athens, etc.
 * I think I've got these (that is, where linked twice in body text - I've kept duplinks in captions and infobox, as permitted by the MoS): kept the link to "Regime of the Colonels", which does technically duplicate "Greek junta", but I think it's useful to help establish that these are the same thing. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * First directorate, professorship and Messenia
 * Perhaps 'directorship'? 'Directorate' suggests a department...
 * It does; fixed. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * last person mentioned is Oikonomos
 * Fixed. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Kourouniotis?
 * Made this mistake a couple of times: fixed. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * since I fear many people won't know what this is and why it is that important, perhaps some context is necessary (brief description and date?)
 * Done. There's a lot more to say about the ideological importance of the battle, but I don't think it can really be said here. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * link to the article on the actual eruption
 * Done. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * relink Volimidia to Chora, Messinia or at least mention the latter locality
 * Done (via a redirect). <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * any idea why?
 * Not without going into OR, though I'd imagine his close association with Metaxas and tendency to upset everyone under him had something to do with it. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I get it, and Karamanlis was also not the most easy-going person... Constantine  ✍  17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Politics
 * it began in August 1936
 * So it did; fixed. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * incorrect, George II had been restored by Georgios Kondylis; rather, Metaxas owed his power to George II and the royalist officers who dominated the army. The Metaxas regime was a covert royal dictatorship, which is why the return of George after the war was such a major political issue.
 * Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Now done. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * might be worthwhile to note that Kordatos was also a communist who was persecuted by Metaxas
 * Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Somewhat done: I failed to find a source directly saying that K. was persecuted by Metaxas, but added one about his communism. Do you have one for the other bit? <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Am currently a bit handicapped as regards access to my books. But him being a communist should be enough to clarify his feelings towards Metaxas. Constantine  ✍  17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * incorrect, George II had been restored by Georgios Kondylis; rather, Metaxas owed his power to George II and the royalist officers who dominated the army. The Metaxas regime was a covert royal dictatorship, which is why the return of George after the war was such a major political issue.
 * Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Now done. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * might be worthwhile to note that Kordatos was also a communist who was persecuted by Metaxas
 * Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Somewhat done: I failed to find a source directly saying that K. was persecuted by Metaxas, but added one about his communism. Do you have one for the other bit? <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Am currently a bit handicapped as regards access to my books. But him being a communist should be enough to clarify his feelings towards Metaxas. Constantine  ✍  17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

That's it for a first pass. The article is the usual thorough work, an interesting and well-written read that captures the life and work of its subject very well. Constantine  ✍  10:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * not just left-wing: it was (and still is) the official organ of the Greek Communist Party
 * Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Would Ioannis Kontis warrant a WP:REDLINK?
 * Done -- I could probably knock something together here, but it would be a challenge. Might just be able to get it over the GNG line. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Assessment and legacy
 * link to metapolitefsi
 * Done. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks as ever, Constantine -- all looks very sensible. Will get through over the next couple of days. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 11:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Mostly sorted now: just a few where I need to find citations. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * All done now, I think. One semi-done on Kordatos and Metaxas: a hand here would be appreciated. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 20:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I had another read-through, my comments have been addressed, and I cannot find anything more to nit-pick about. As stated, an excellent piece of work, well above the usual GA standard. I will pass it now. Constantine  ✍  17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)