Talk:Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power)

Supremeverse merge
Support - While I didn't list it for merger, I did create Supremeverse and can see little need for it now. It is the setting for one team (basically one book) and a limited crossover series. I see little need for expansion outside of those articles. --Newt ΨΦ 14:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

SupportThuranX 20:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)  You created a subsequent article describing the setting for this series, which means an article SUPPORTING this one, and now you want to merge it into your own? No. 9Edit, changed my vote to reflect my new understanding of the intent.ThuranX 03:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sorry, the way I understand it, Supremeverse would be merged with this article. Jesus, that'd be pretentious of me. I said above I see no need for the article I created (Supremeverse) anymore.  --Newt ΨΦ 23:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good. Then nominate Supremeverse for speedy deletion.ThuranX 03:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * OpposeBrown Shoes22 01:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Support Cybertooth85 02:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Support Simply not enough info for a seperate article. Any important continuity information can be dealt with on the pages of the individual comics. --InShaneee 00:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Closed with a consensus of Merge. CovenantD 04:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Removal of bibliography
The issue titles (and their respective release dates) are not relevant. Not only are they independent chapters that are better read as a single graphic novel, but they also have a tendency to become a large list as more issues are published. A list of titles, without context, is just clogging the page, and opens the possible that someone will add a list of issue titles to, for example, X-Men, a comic that has over 500 issues published consecutively since 1963 and is more culturally relevant than the re-imagining of a parody. See List of The Amazing Spider-Man comics for my point. --Pc13 17:54, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Info
Thair isn't much info on
 * Doctor Spectrum, (based on Green Lantern)
 * Zarda, better known as Power Princess (based on Wonder Woman),
 * Amphibian (based on Aquaman).

The Character history I add for Doctor Spectrum was deleted by Pc13. --Brown Shoes22 16:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Arc III
Hyperion (Superhuman powers and postition with the government), Nighthawk (Who knows what to look for), and the Blur (Superspeed to found him faster) have formed an uneasy partnership. In order to captured the super-human serial killer. After found him and start a fight that slaughtering 35 human and destroys or badly damaged private property. Doctor Spectrum show up and takes Michael Redstone (the super-human serial killer) in custody to a prison original made for Hyperion.

We Meet General Richard Alexander who is now head of the government's new super-hero program and hopes to being Hyperion back under Government control. Redstone origins are introduced as a renegade killer soldier who murder six women and escaped the experiment and in a flashback Tom Thumb is seen. After a fight, Hyperion, Nighthawk, and Blur break up. Nighthawk keeps his distance from the rest, but not his feels like said: Calling Stanley Stewart a House Negro and Hyperion for not stoping Doctor Spectrum, taking Redstone into custody and not stay trial. Mark extraterrestrial origin and the Government's propaganda, decides he was outside the system. Gareth and Henderson ask The Blur to keep quiet about Redstome, fearing bad media and the government cover-up Redstone.

Doctor Spectrum is ordered to look for and capture Amphibian for the Government, after a picture which show she killing would is revealed to the media, the first spotted by humans who she kills in self-defense. After capturing Amphibian and given her the name Kingsley Rice and starts a Romantic relationship. Doctor Spectrum meets Power Princess who attempted to remove the power prism and retrieve her memories. But before that happened, she was attacked by Amphibian in retaliation for harming Spectrum. Later she kills a woman and steals her Identification. General Richard Alexander asks Hyperion to work with them again and he says no. Then it is revealed to the media by means of Jason Scott that Hyperion is an extraterrestrial.

Wikiquote
How do you start a Wikiquote has a collection of quotations by or about: Supreme Power--Brown Shoes22 16:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Starting a wikiquote
Who would like to start ass quotes !--Brown Shoes22 06:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Started Supreme Power a wikiquote page--Brown Shoes22 16:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Add quotes !--Brown Shoes22 02:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Several super-humans that have been seen in Supreme Power: Hyperion
--Brown Shoes22 06:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Golden Archer
 * 2) Blue Eagle

Name change!
ON Marvel Knights Supreme Power will change to Squadron Supreme--Brown Shoes22 02:49, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You are smoking the wacky weed, Brown Shoes22. Supreme Power will relaunch with a new issue 1 under the Marvel Knights banner, as "Supreme Power". Dyslexic agnostic 09:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * And I fail to see what's with the urgency. We'll get to that when the comic comes out. Every time something minor happens in Supreme Power, BS22 jumps and adds it to the article.--Pc13 12:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I do not smoke Cannabis drugs, Dyslexic agnostic. And in Marvel Previews Issue 28 Page 22 to 23 it say "Suquadron Supreme #1"! I NOT A IDIT ! and to Pc13 it's called a heads up! --Brown Shoes22 05:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, calmness! Just playing with you (it's easy to do).  Let me see my copy... one sec... oh, here it is, and on page 22 (flip flip)... WOW!  You are right, Brown Shoes22! Saga of Squadron Supreme!  Then... 'Squadron Supreme #1 !! My word. And a nice pic of Zarda too. OK, team, let's get cracking... major edits to make (NOT). You may have the honour (that's Canadian for honor), BS22!!! Dyslexic agnostic 05:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * When I say go ahead, though, I would suggest just a one-liner re: the upcoming change. Don't rename the pages or anything scary (please?). Dyslexic agnostic 05:31, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * In fact, don't do anything... that means stand still... until issue #1 is published... that is, four months from now. So, don't do anything until February. --Pc13 14:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Differences between Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme
Make a new artile. With more indeath information and Character to Character changes.--Brown Shoes22 00:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That really doesn't seem necessary. All that page would do is repeat information included on other pages.  If we want more in-depth info, then the more sensible option would be to flesh out the differences on the individual pages, rather than make a new one that would be nothing more than a collection of the info from all the other pages. Pitr 01:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Why was Bibliography removed?
Bibliography
 * Supreme Power Vol. 1 (MAX imprint): #1 (August 2003) - #18 (August 2005)
 * Doctor Spectrum: Full Spectrum: #1 (August 2004) - #6 (March 2005)
 * Supreme Power: Nighthawk: #1 (September 2005) -
 * Supreme Power: Hyperion: #1 (September 2005) -
 * Saga of Squadron Supreme: upcoming one-shot issue in February 2006
 * Supreme Power Vol. 2 (Marvel Knights imprint): upcoming onging series starting in 2006

Dyslexic agnostic and/or Pc13 removed this part ?--Brown Shoes22 00:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Pc13 removed it... I'm fine with that, but I don't think I agree that the character list should be in the "top" part of the article (should be under heading characters). Dyslexic agnostic 20:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Supremeverse
I noticed that there is not an article for the Supremeverse and any time the Supremeverse is mentioned there's just a link back to this article. Should there be a separate article for the Supremeverse? I realize much of the information about the Supremeverse is in this article, but nothing about its distinctness from Earth-616. As a reader of these books, I know at least that there is a difference (though I don't know the half of it), but that doesn't mean everyone does, nor that everyone can garner that there is a difference from this article. I'm gonna go ahead and start a stub. Psyphics 01:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I would suggest that Supremeverse redirect to Supreme Power, and that the latter expalin the term. -- Dyslexic agnostic 03:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Where does the name Supremeverse come from? I have never seen it other than here.--RedKnight 14:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Voice
M'Butu's power seems psychic (parapsychological, not psychological) in nature and limited to suggestion so far. Edited the ongoing history in Vol.2 to reflect that. Psyphics 19:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Inertia
Does inertia have a DC counterpart? Elijya 16:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Her DC counterpart maybe Halo (comics). The character was part of Nighthawk's America Redeemers analogous to the Batman and the Outsiders.--Brown Shoes22 02:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Civilians
Recurring civilian characters are not listed. I think Blur's mother, Hyperion's human parents, the first General and others need to be listed. Since I don't have the TPB, I'll need to unbox my set and reference it unless someone else can post them.--Nuke-Marine 01:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Arcs Need Own Page
Due to size constraints, will each of the arcs need their own page in time? Two major arcs a year will be bound to add up in time.--Nuke-Marine 01:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * NO !! Not it this time. --Brown Shoes22 02:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why, particularly. Just write a couple of lines per arc. we don't really need that much in depth detail. get the basics. If someone wants ridiculous detail ,they'll read the stories.ThuranX 02:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, a couple lines per arc and when that becomes unwieldy for this article, then we'll talk about splitting. --Newt ΨΦ 03:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Couple of lines? It appears each arc gets its own 5 paragraph structure or more. However, it's correct that the size is not unwieldy at this time. It seemed the most likely to get its own page in time if the series continues for more than 40 issues.--Nuke-Marine 07:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Each arc should only be a few lines. --Chris Griswold 00:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the arcs should be briefly summarized. -- Dyslexic agnostic 03:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to add - WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines do state that plot summaries "should not become so enlarged as to become separate articles" (as per WP:NOT) & "articles focused on describing storylines should be avoided unless significance is established through real world sources". Keep that in mind if considering additional articles. --Mrph 16:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Redstone
It says that Redstone has no DC equivalent which maybe accurate for the original Squadron Supreme it isn't very accurate for the Power version. I am going to change the Redstone listing from "No DC eqivalent" to "Ultraman" if there are no objections. Bushido Brown 22:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A little! In the Roy Thomas Squadron Supreme the character was part of Nighthawk's America Redeemers analogous to the Batman and the Outsiders and ounterpart may be based on Geo-Force--Brown Shoes22 22:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Is Michael Redstone a new character?--Brown Shoes22 17:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Speculation, speculation. If you can't cite it, forget it. And where the heck did the red kryptonite thing come from? It only does that on Smallville! Noclevername 12:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Navbox Guidelines
Please follow this link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes to join in on the discussion. --Basique 12:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Invisible Woman ?
How is the Arcanna based on the Invisible Woman ?--Brown Shoes22 22:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Arcanna is based on Zatanna--RedKnight 14:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't sound right
"Ultimate Power is a nine-issue comic book limited series that will take place in the Ultimate Marvel Universe (known as Earth-1610), tying that universe into the (second) Supreme Power universe (known as Earth-319160" There are two supreme squadron universes and only one supreme power universe so should the "second" part be dropped? or should supreme power be dropped in favor of supreme squadron.
 * As of the end of the Supreme Power run both teams are now called Squadron Supreme, the distinction between the two would only be the Earth designation number.--RedKnight 14:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Supreme Power, Squadron Supreme and the other Squadron Supreme
This is all starting to get tangled. With the ongoing series now Squadron Supreme, it's going to get increasingly confusing as time goes on. Especially as most characters share the same codename and alter ego for all versions. Looking at the current list of articles: ...and WikiProject comics guidelines say that roman numerals are discouraged as a way to identify differing versions of a character, which is a rule that hasn't been applied to most of these, either. Opinions on the best way forward? --Mrph 16:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This article is Supreme Power and only the earlier Thomas/Gruenwald version is under Squadron Supreme
 * Nighthawk (Supreme Power) details this version of the character, with the other versions at Nighthawk (Marvel Comics).
 * Hyperion (Supreme Power) covers this version, Hyperion (comics) covers the other five(!).
 * Doctor Spectrum covers all four versions
 * Power Princess covers two versions
 * Amphibian (comics) covers two versions
 * Redstone (comics) covers two versions
 * Tom Thumb (comics) covers two versions
 * Master Menace covers two versions
 * Inertia (Marvel Comics) covers two versions
 * Shape (comics) covers two versions
 * Nuke (Squadron Supreme) covers two versions
 * Arcanna covers two versions

Five unnamed African super-humans ?
Why no DC Comics or Marvel Comics counterpart. Two would be the Marvel Family and the Poeple of Wakanda--Brown Shoes22 19:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Tidy Up
OK...some streamlining to sort this all out for the new reader. Any search for Supreme Power will at present come here, to the Earth-31916 page. Note that this entry is now about just that...the team efforts, not the one-off missions for pairs/trios that came prior to this, as the team had yet to form. It was also all in a "blow by blow" format, which is suitable for fan pages, but not Wikipedia. There's not much there, but then the publication is only just starting. Also culled all the POV, of which there was a great deal.

Asgardian 11:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

No Info on the series Supreme Power
Supreme Power is the backstory of Squadron Supreme. But all info was now removed !--Brown Shoes22 04:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Proposal to merge Supreme Power into Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power). Supreme Power was split off of this page after a page move, however both pages cover the exact same subject. Retain Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) as the main page as it has the longer edit history. -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 07:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, so long as the majority of what's merged is the publication history, and not the fannish issue by issue plot recaps, which are excessively long for the 20 or so issues that the series has. I'd go one further, and suggest that as these articles are the 'trunk' articles for the entire rebooted Squadron, we should redirect the couple of miniseries, and include them here in publication history, with larger paragraphs that use one or two sentence plot precis instead of full articles. The miniseries weren't so notable as to really need full wiki-articles. ThuranX (talk) 12:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No Supreme Power is a article on the series, Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme Vol.2 and Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) is article on the team all the backstory would be lost and the Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) is a bad article and deleting it and merge team info with Supreme Power would be a good thing!!--Brown Shoes22 (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Brown Shoes, I'm a little confused by your response. First you say no but then you say a reverse merge would be good. Squadron Supreme (Supreme Power) has the longer edit history aht Supreme Power was spun off from so it has to remain the main page. All info will be returned to main article for editing. -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 09:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion Closed: Result was MERGE

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New Squadron
Should info be added on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.101.223 (talk) 14:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Volume numbering
Once again I've had to correct the numbering of the latest Squadron Supreme series. It is volume 2, not volume 3. While we clearly have had 3 series involving these characters, the first of which was under the MAX name, Supreme Power. So we had Supreme Power, Squadron Supreme and now Squadron Supreme v2. And to make this even more concrete, Marvel has always referred to this latest series as volume 2 e.g., http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=9099. Sorted. Planewalker Dave (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is the other Squadron Supreme had a 12 issue miniseries back in the mid-80's. That would then make Supreme Power's Squadron Supreme series v2 and v3 respectively. This isn't the first time Marvel has butchered volume numbering (see The Punisher for the most egregious case). Irish Souffle (talk) 11:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What about the Power to the People and Bright Shining Lies TPBs? I can't figure out how they fit into the current list of collected editions. Thanks, Aristophanes 68   (talk)  16:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)