Talk:Square milk jug

comparison
This article could greatly benefit from comparison photos of the two differing types of containers discussed. For those with the time and inclination, here's a start:, , and. —  pd_THOR  undefined | 19:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of that, but since I have made the transition to the square milk jug, I don't think that so much as a carton of milk will enter my house again! (Cost based decision)--kelapstick (talk) 16:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Taken care of compliments of CoM!--kelapstick (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't make the lighting more consistent with the other shots for comparison sake. The store wouldn't let me turn out all their lights and light a couple candles. Also, who's going to photograph the milk bags? Milk crates? Wrapped jugs ready for shipping? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I am working on the stacked version, I might be able to get some crates too, but as for bags, those north of 49 are on their own...--kelapstick (talk) 00:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Featured article
I say we get this article to featured status! :D Mac Davis (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Images
Any more images that include what they might look like in a stacked position?852_Charlie_Papa (talk) 20:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Comparison to Milk Bags?
I'm wondering if this is also more efficient than the milk bags which are commonly used in parts of Canada. In Canada 4L of milk(about 1 gallon) are sold in three individual bags (1.25L each) contained in a larger bag which are then put in milk crates and shipped (though it would be much more efficient to ship the bags in larger containers). There is a discussion of milk bags here if you aren't familiar with what they are: http://home.cogeco.ca/~husky66/Milk/ Mystic eye (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I am a fan of the milk bag, however they have the disadvantage for the retailer of still requiring milk crates, which is a major expense (purchasing, cleaning, theft etc.). Also are milk bags recyclable, they never were anywhere I lived, or maybe I didn't want to cut them open to rinse them out or have the recycle box stink of sour milk...--kelapstick (talk) 16:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

plastic milk jugs
The Milk jug currently redirects to an article that currently focuses only on glass milk bottles, excluding plastic milk jugs.

In my local area, most milk is sold in clear plastic jugs that are roughly square on the bottom -- see photo on right. A few of these jugs are stackable (there's a big indentation on the bottom that fits over the cap of the jug it sits on), but most are not.

Are these jugs considered a kind of "square milk jug", or is there some other Wikipedia article more appropriate for photos of such milk bottles? --DavidCary (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, what your describing and the picture you've supplied is of the traditional "bell shaped" plastic jug contrasted with this article's square plastic jug. The newly designed square jug is represented by the pictures already included in this article, being characterized by their flat tops, wide mouth, and rectangular sides. --Cast (talk) 01:04, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Which Wikipedia article is the appropriate article for what Cast calls "bell shaped" plastic jugs? --DavidCary (talk) 16:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merger with Milk bottle
User:Natureium proposed merging this article with Milk bottle. This seems to follow on somewhat from the discussion above regarding Milk jug as well. Anyway, a counterproposal would be to develop Milk jug into a full article and merge this article there, instead of with Milk bottle. Part of the reason for this suggestion is that Milk bottle is a highly UK-specific article, whereas glass bottles for milk in the US have been deprecated for decades. Plastic milk jugs and plastic-coated paper cartons are far more commonplace in the US. (Another possibility would be to have a single uber-article that incorporated all possible modes of containing milk, but that seems unwieldy to me, particularly in terms of what the article title would end up needing to be. Better to have each mode in a separate article and crosslink them.)  -- Dachannien TalkContrib 15:58, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

These two are entirely different. Newroderick895 (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I merged the article because after 4 months of being tagged, no one disagreed with the merger and only one person cared to comment, so I went with their suggestion. I don't understand the obsession of a couple editors with having an article about a particular shape of milk jug. It's simply not notable. Natureium (talk) 22:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Four months of silence on an obscure topic doesn't mean consensus, I didn't know about it because I cleared my watchlist four years ago. I don't know why you insist it is not notable, when there are cited sources about it specifically. And you didn't merge it, you took a four section article, and summarized it into basically a paragraph within another article which is actually shorter than this one. --kelapstick(bainuu) 14:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no point in waiting longer than 4 months, when there's no indication that it's going to become any more popular than it has been. I merged the articles. Other editors shortened it because of how unimportant a concept it is. Natureium (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Don't merge. Fine topic--the square milk jug is something of an outlier which has received considerable coverage, and is therefore notable. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge - milk jug and milk bottle are really the same, just some regional variation in language. Pkgx (talk) 01:58, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't merge - Milk jugs and milk bottles are distinctly different. (In Canada/US) Milk bottles are made of glass and are the sort that used to be delivered to the door back when a milkman was common place. Typically in North America they are decorative now. Milk jugs are plastic, and come in 2 litre/4 litre (or imperial equivalent). Yes they are both vessels for containing milk, but they are not the same. --kelapstick(bainuu) 14:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Container, Jug, or Bottle?
We all have opinions about what to call common household items. Wikipedia asks for Reliable Sources. Perhaps the most authoritative technical source is K. L Yam's "Encyclopedia of Packaging Technology", John Wiley & Sons, 2009. The sections on Bottles and Blow Molding clearly include plastic milk bottles. Similarly Soroka's, "Illustrated Glossary of Packaging Terminology", Institute of Packaging Professionals, includes blow molded plastic bottles and containers: no mention of milk "jugs".

From a practical standpoint, people will continue to call these bottles, jugs, or whatever they choose. Perhaps it is best to cal it a "container". We should include the words "jug" and "plastic bottle" in the text. This seems to be a reasonable and inclusive direction forward. Pkgx (talk) 19:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Title
This article currently has a title of Square Milk Jug. There are many types of milk bottles and jugs which have a relatively square cross section: both plastic and glass:  with and without handles. This article is really about a blow molded plastic bottle or jug which has a flat top:  this flat top allows for improved top-stacking and improved logistics. The flat top also caused sloppy pouring and much spilled milk. I do not even know if this square flat-top bottle is even still on the market.

The title of this article should reflect the critical characteristic which is that it has a flat top. The title should be "Flat top milk jug" (or bottle). The other alternative is to merge this stub into Plastic milk container as was previously suggested. Pkgx (talk) 18:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Blow molded plastic milk containers with flatter than typical tops seems like an overly detailed description, when the references cited call them as "square". --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:34, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you input.  I would agree that your ten word title is not a good option:  I had proposed a four word title which would clarify the subject.  I am open to reasonable alternatives.
 * The citations are poor. Most would not qualify as Reliable Sources. Several are dead links or are not relevant.  In Reference 3, NY ::Times calls it a "new jug";  in Reference 8, CBS calls it a "New Flat Top Jug".
 * This article might not be worth the effort. Merging into Plastic milk container is a good option.
 * Pkgx (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * There seems to be no objection to changing the title to "Flat top milk jug". Unless there are no objections, the change will be made in one week.  Pkgx (talk)
 * I object. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:18, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There are only two votes: there is not much interest in this page.  There was NO CONSENSUS on changing the title at this time.  This question is CLOSED for now but may be reconsidered at some future point.  Pkgx (talk) 15:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)