Talk:Squarepusher

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Nice bit about the philosophy... you made Squarepusher's article sensible.

IDM
All Squarepusher's main music genres are pretty well stated in the article. I think the IDM thing is just because he is on Warp Records rather than because he is IDM. Squarepusher's notable for his fast drum and bass, bass guitar, and jazz influence, rather than Autechre who are notable for being IDM. If you read squarepusher's flux article, there's a refutation of IDM's methodology in there, even though he doesnt mention it by name. cheers. Joyrex

I do believe Squarepusher is a great example of IDM. I think IDM should be listed as a genre.--Sonjaaa 07:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

why?

it already says:

He specialises in the electronic music genres of drum and bass, musique concrete (sampled digitally rather than by tape), and acid, albeit with a significant jazz influence. the perfect description! all specific musical genre names! squarepusher doesn't specialise in IDM. he totally rejects the work of autechre,kid 606 etc. There is a strong connection to Aphex Twin, and that is mentioned in the article. thanks. Joyrex.

I think with all those other genres mentioned, IDM would be best left out. - Ultravisitor 00:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC) I agree but the wording was wrong so I moved music concrete out. He is significantly influenced by music concrete, just listen to some of his post 2001 works. There is a cult of these stupid 3 letters and its pissing me off. I got harrassed on last.fm with some idiots begging me to tag idm. He kept saying "SAVE IDM". Just lol to that crap. Morons —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyrogladie (talk • contribs) 06:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

he he

Peace & b wild! ;-) aphex_SQUAREPUSHER_twin


 * someone keeps readding this fanboy watmm/idm list genre name... great..
 * idm is not really appropriate here at all. nice genre name for your messageboard though...


 * Squarepusher is a drum and bass legend so I strongly agree with this but Id just like to add that you shouldnt put down people as fanboys as its offensive


 * Squarepusher is IDM ffs.. Just because Do you know squarepusher and Go Plastic are DnB doesn't mean that Ultravisitor isn't IDM, the guy has released music in a lot of different genres, IDM being one of them.. You can't go "Oh, that looks like enough genres for one artist" and then wonder why people keep editing in "IDM" because HE RELEASED AN IDM ALBUM OR TWO.. it's not fucking rocket science. He's certainly more god damn IDM than he is "funk" "jazz" or "musique concrete", which is only represented in his slap bass work for the first one and for the last two only really in "Music has rotted one note".
 * Thats just your opinion. Visitoccurd (talk) 13:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * IDM is the american interpretation of British Electronic Music though, when you're saying IDM what you mean is electronic music. IDM is junk fanboy rubbish, not encyclopaedic, and Squarepusher is not IDM, he's drum and bass. americans don't get it. british who hang on american forums dont get it either. press interviews mention electronic music, drum and bass, jazz, etc, therefore that's what goes in the article, not your american opinion from your american forum you hang out on. oh btw, "drill n' bass" is another joke name created by americans. it's *drum and bass*, as stated in all professional squarepusher interviews in the press. what americans say on american web forums counts for nothing on wikipedia. forum speak = totally worthless.
 * Would you care for me to point out a few articles citing Squarepusher as IDM, IDM is not a made up joke genre like Drill n Bass.. it's legitimate, it's stuck.. i'm not American and the term IDM was invented by the British (Aphex Twin and others from Warp forums.. remember the label that Squarepusher releases most of his work on?). Squarepusher has IDM listed as one of his genres on his myspace, Squarepusher is listed as IDM on Bleep, Squarepusher's top tag on Last.fm is IDM, Squarepusher is one of the first artists mentioned when the term "IDM" is thrown out there, Squarepusher's music shares similiar attributes to other IDM artists. The logic of "Squarepusher is Drum N Bass and therefore cannot be IDM" is patheticly hilarious considering the fact that someone had the tenacity to call Squarepusher "funk" and nobody has edited that shameful little blip out.. Slap bass =/= funk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.133.201 (talk) 14:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "the term IDM was invented by the British (Aphex Twin and others from Warp forums" That's a complete lie. Aphex Twin has never called himself IDM and has gone on record as saying he hates the term because it implies "all other music types are stupid". Now if Squarepusher called himself IDM on myspace that's much more telling, however his profile doesn't say that currently and since you're making up stuff about other things I'm gonna assume you made that one up too. 70.67.123.123 (talk) 06:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

IDM is legitimate in America and on websites such as forum.watmm.com (but actually the webmaster has recently censored IDM because it is not legitimate). IDM is a controversial fan community term that isn't even a real genre. "IDM" was spread by the IDM list, which is American, in about 1993. Warp forums existed about 10 years ago and was nothing to do with inventing the name IDM. I checked on Bleep and there's no mention of IDM with Squarepusher that's easy to find, so where did you see that? Bleep is just a shop run by online geeks though, so even if it was there, it's not exactly encyclopaedic what a computer geek who runs a shop wrote. In Britain the term is "electronic music" and that's what you'll see written in 95% of quality articles on Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, and the like. American articles add IDM which is wrong. The article right now contains a beautiful description of Squarepusher's musical style which summarises all the interviews and articles on Squarepusher that are out there. Squarepusher is British so the article should not colour too much with American points of view. Though I don't really care, but IDM is purely wrong online fanboy crap though. This is an encyclopaedia. "He specialises in the electronic music genres of drum and bass, musique concrète, and acid, with a significant jazz influence." is perfect as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.226.203 (talk) 08:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Bleep is just a shop run by online geeks though, so even if it was there, it's not exactly encyclopaedic what a computer geek who runs a shop wrote." Oh really? That must be why Bleep and Warpmart are one in the same now. dil (talk) 15:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

IDM = online-fan american culture. pretty much worthless. Squarepusher is English. Squarepusher's music and genres are already really well described. Shame if the Americans spread there crazy fan ideas like it's fact when they made that shit up themselves —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.18.150 (talk) 19:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

IDM is fucking fake as fuck. WATMM sucks. Stop making fake genres like 'IDM'. pathetic

Squarepusher's musical stylings are sloppily described in this article imo.. This "it's perfect don't touch it we're british" attitude is getting on my nerves. I've been arguing for the inclusion of IDM but let's scrap that for a second. For a start, throughout the article Squarepusher is constantly alluded to as Musique Concrete, a particular musical movement which he had nothing to do with and aside from that he shares very little stylistically in common with except for his use of tapes in his work.. Musique concrete was notable because it ignored the conventions of music, Squarepusher's music adheres to basic musical laws like melody and rhythm which were discarded in musique concrete, imo the genre has just been name dropped to make him sound like he's sophisticated and unique for using sampling, we might as well start calling every electronic producer under the sun musique concrete, his relevance to the genre is very shallow indeed (Tapes, loops and samples =/= Musique concrete) which brings me to my next point.. funk, what the hell is funk doing in his genre list? Squarepusher plays a slap bass, this is the only quality his music has in common with funk at any point in his discography. Do I even need to argue this? Tell me if you're too stubborn to agree and i'll try to make a point about it. Acid is much more relevant but it should really be linked in the genre list on the right side of the page if it's going to be included in the opening description to keep it consistent.. At the very least I would suggest that if we aren't going to slot IDM into the list we should remove Musique concrete and funk because they are sure as hell less relevant to Squarepusher's sound than IDM. The argument that Squarepusher is British and therefore shouldn't be classed as IDM is not only strangely nationalistic but pretty self-defeating since IDM is a term used originally by Americans (but now globally, like it or not) to describe certain British electronic musicians, if IDM couldn't be used to describe British music by some kind of unseen natural law that prevents the cross contamination of culture the term wouldn't exist in the first place. IDM was made up by Americans on a message board and has since become an established genre, I don't see how this invalidates it's application here. It's not like every other musical genre name was farted out by angels at the dawn of time. EDIT: adding one more thing, IDM is a genre on Squarepusher (Yes, the proud, proud, british, pure blood Squarpusher)'s OFFICIAL myspace.. this is the only source we should need to add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.133.201 (talk) 15:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC) In Holland we dont say IDM as it is not endorsed by Squarepusher or Aphex Twin. IDM is an fraud by the Americans at WATMM and the IDM list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.238.64.75 (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

IDM is more a musical scene than a genre in my opinion. I agree IDM shouldn't be on Squarepusher's genres list, but the article should say something relatign him to IDM.Ptikobj (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC) fake genre Gyrogladie (talk) 09:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It is a fake genre that has nothing to do with Squarepusher. It was made in America by Autechre fanboys. Squarepusher is blatantly jazz/drum and bass gone haywire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.183.34.71 (talk) 09:38, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

IDM was a massive fraud perpetuated on the public by an American gang at the Hyper Real website and IDM list. There are American websites that have graffiti scribbled their American garbage ideology onto British electronic music. IDM was denigrated and attacked by Aphex Twin, Mike P, and Luke Vibert. But some trolls have gone through the main article removing references and quotes from Aphex Twin's friends regarding this false genre name. Clearly, the trolls have used Wikipedia in order to promote this fan created genre name. It is associated with websites such as WATMM and XLTRONIC nowadays. Anyone with the slightest bit of decency should do the right thing and keep IDM out of the Aphex Twin article. What a fraud on the public! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoideredByDaUkGuv (talk • contribs) 08:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Discography Incorrect/Incomplete
I'm too tired to take care of it right now, but I do believe that the discography listed here has incorrect dates next to it (didn't Budakan come out in 2001?) and is missing several selections. I'll be back but if someone is watching this page please correct me if I'm wrong. Accipio Mitis Frux 04:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope. According to Warp's website, the official release date for Budakhan Mindphone was 1 March 1999. dil 00:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason Big Loada isn't included in the Discography? --Syd Heresy 23:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's in there; just listed as an EP. Shoejartalk/edits


 * He's probably thinking of the US reprint which included 1 and a half eps as bonus tracks to bring it up to full album length. That's technically a compilation though (like a greatest hits album would be, or a "2 albums in 1" purchase). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.123.123 (talk) 06:33, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Philosophy
Philosphy... I dunno that I like the integration of this Jenkenson guy into the talk of sq's theories. Especially without delving into them a bit deaper. Is that article referenced specific to squarepushers philosophy? Cause if it's not, then there are people far more qualified to speak on this issue, Jean Baudrilliard, Machiavelli, etc... Perhaps there should be a link to the wiki entry on them... Ixtli 00:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "This Jenkenson (sic) guy" is Tom Jenkinson aka Squarepusher, not just some random person theorizing. —Slicing (talk) 19:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm indeed. My mistake, thanks =) Ixtli 03:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The first sentence of the second paragraph in the philosopy section is not actually a complete sentence. I would clean it up but I am unsure of the meaning. Could someone familiar with the article fix it?

"expert-level bass guitarist"
This is abit unencyclopedic but its probably true =) -- - K a s h  Talk 00:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

definitely true :) -User:lsdan

Supposed original research
So what, exactly, is the 'original research' in the Philosophy section? That discussion is taken from an article/interview in Flux Magazine (no online source available). —Slicing (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about original research but that paragraph has a wholly inappropriate tone for it's context. The article would be all the better if it was removed. —Andybak
 * It needs revision more than deletion. Make it more appropriate instead of deleting it.


 * Hi, I have added an online source for the interview, which the philosophy section "paraphrases". Of course, it does so quite brazenly, without much variation of what was actually said (seems more appropriate to either summarise it better or just quote it verbatim). But yes, I agree, the tone is quite awkward. 80.177.20.202 22:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Date of Birth
Any ideas? Triangle e 16:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know a whole lot about Mr Jenkinson, but I know Bridgeport isn't in Dorset. I suspect he was born in Bridport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.152.112 (talk) 23:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Asperger Syndrome Claim
I removed the wholey unsubstatianted sentence "It is known that Jenkinson has Aspergers syndrome and this may explain why he spends alot of time producing music." from the article. This is complete BS. I've seen no evidence nor any mention anywhere of Tom having Asperger Syndrome. Provide solid evidence/references or do NOT add it back. There are already too many "self-diagnosed" AS people on the Internet all too eager to claim person x or y has AS. Jgw 02:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Although that sentence does sound like speculation, google 'Savant' with 'Tom Jenkinson' where several interviews by magazines and other media-oriented sites have dubbed him as 'idiot savant', assuming Tom is likely to read those interviews and must approve them he is quite content at being labelled a Savant. Although it may be possible that Tom has some kind of High-functioning Autism instead of Aspergers Syndrome. You can remove it for now, I believe there has been a psychology peer-reviewed journal which studied systematic and emotional music spectrums and concluded that those into IDM and other abstract electronica tended to be more likely to have computer science, engineering, mathematical occupations and were largely male. It's possible that Tom has a more developed male brain. --213.106.102.178 11:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

That's great and all, but conditions such as Asperger Syndrome and Savant-ism aren't labels. They're specific sets of conditions. Regardless of how he may or may not wish to be labeled, there is no evidence to support such diagnosis. If we did that, just about every shy, Slashdot-using geek would label themselves as being affected by Asperger Syndrome. More likely != common or frequent Jgw 23:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That savant stuff is just a knock on effect of Aphex Twin's press bullshit existing.

Just for the record Aspergers syndrome and the above quoted "high functioning autism" are the same thing

3tmx


 * It's B-S. The man is a genius, no doubt, but there's no hint of autism in the man.

He doesn't have autism or aspergers. As said before, its probably just some marketing, or journalists making it up, same as the stuff about his father being a jazz drummer i've seen in other articles. 213.48.1.32 06:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Alive in Japan
Can the Alive in Japan cd be added to the main pages list of releases somehow? I came on specifically looking for it and had to click on all the albums to find it. Not that I'm too lazy to click a mouse but it'd be nice for it to be on the main list somewhere.Kansaikiwi 11:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I added it in a fashion that should be acceptable but I can think of quite a few multi-disc releases that are, at least in the mind of the artist, separate album simply packaged together e.g. Muslimgauze's Box of Silk and Dogs and Fatah Guerilla, the deluxe edition of Broken Social Scene's self-titled release, The Beatles' Let it Be...Naked. While personally I think it's valuable information I'm just not sure if it's commonly accepted in this context. dil 15:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh! Oh!
no on braindance compilation but on The Braindance of Coincidence! compilation and out in 2001!!! he he...

Big Loada is an EP!!!!! with warp out in 1997 but with nothing records in 1998... he he...

Peace & B Wild! ;-) Aphex_Squarepusher_Twin aphex_SQUAREPUSHER_twin

2006 Exciton Exclusive digital single #3: released October 2. ---> not the september 28!!! lol

Peace & b wild! ;-) aphex_SQUAREPUSHER_twin

Circlewave's edit
Is this the real Tom Jenkinson? -- Shoejartalk/edits UTC: 01:41, 09 Nov 06 (+11 ≈ 12:44, 09)

I did find this article, "Collaborating with the Machines" which holds the same ideas as this mysterious "CircleWave" (I believe him to be SquarePusher, but that's what I think subjectively). Just a little note in hopes of bringing back the subject of Tom Jenkinson's Philosophy. --ShadowSlave 21:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowSlave (talk • contribs)

Compilation Appearances
Would his track ("Tommib") featured on the Lost in Translation soundtrack count for that section? --75.2.46.60 04:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Education
Tom Jenkinson studied Fine Art at Chelsea College of Art and Design, he is listed under Notable Alumni on the wiki page. I think this should be added as his background in Art is quite interesting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.51.154.65 (talk) 22:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

I think he also studied phonic arts, or something similar, although i may be confused with one of his brothers. I tried a google on the chelsea thing, but could only find the wiki page, which is not a good enough reference. 213.48.1.32


 * After stringing a quick search with Squarepusher+Chelsea College of Art and Design via Google, I found numerous sources supporting this. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=squarepusher%2Bchelsea+college+of+art+and+design&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Entangle (talk) 16:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Other tracks
During some googling, found these listed, not sure if they are on any of the albums/eps listed, could anyone who knows the back catalogue better than me try and see if these should be added?

Tom Jenkinson	Bubble and Squeak	Worm Interface	1996 Tom Jenkinson / Dunderhead	Dragon Disc 2	Worm Interface	1996 Squarepusher and Richard Thomas	I am Carnal	Lo Recordings	1999 Squarepusher	Crot	Rumble 1	1995

213.48.1.32 06:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Can confirm all of them. Bubble and Squeak is 2 tracks ("Bubble" and "Squeak"). Dragon Disc 2 is a split ep with Dunderhead, it has 2 Squarpusher songs on side 2. So far as I know both of those were released just before Feed Me Weird Things however I'm not totally sure. I Am Carnal is a Richard Thomas single where the first track is just Richard Thomas and tracks 2+3 are Squarepusher remixing 2 Richard Thomas songs. Crot is from 1994 (the printing through a proper record label was 1995 but the first white label version of the album was 1994). Also Crot has no band name or album name written on it at all, and is usually referred to as a Tom Jenkinson album (based on the ordering info I assume). No idea if Crot or Stereotype came first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.123.123 (talk) 07:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Musique Concrete
I cant be bothered to quote the articles now, but saying that "'He specialises in the electronic music genres of [...] musique concrete (sampled digitally rather than by tape)" is really inappropriate. He has stated in interviews recently that he is using tape a lot, especially for the "musique concrete" stuff. I can't understand why anyone would have the idea that his "musique concrete" stuff is done digitally. He does use a digital sampler, and that is an obvious fact, but most likely it is for sequencing breaks and such. It would be better i think to mention he uses tape AND digital equipment or simply to omit the parenthesis according to which he does "musique concrete" only through digital means. Ultimately it is pretty much impossible to confirm which tracks were done only on analog or digital equipment, so unless one can quote a source, I think this should be removed or clarified. -edit: I've removed it myself seeing as no one else was doing it.

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Merge Chaos A.D. (artist)
There really isn't too much to add to Chaos A.D. (artist), and it will generally be beneficial to merge it here. + m t  05:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. --Susume-eat 04:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree. With only one album and one 12" for a discography, it hardly seems noteworthy enough to have it's own page. dil 12:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree too, and that made four of us with no descent, the discography from that page is already here, and the only other text was the following.

Chaos A.D. is the harsh and satirical acid house project of Thomas Jenkinson (aka. Squarepusher). The music is generally noisier and by many standards weirder than Jenkinson's other work.

'harsh and satirical' and 'noisier and by many standards weirder' both seem to be pretty POV, so unless we can get some kind of source to back that up, i don't think it should be included here.

I have been bold and emptied that page and made it redirect here.

Champion sound remix 19:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Squarepusher doing a collaboration with Brian Eno and Herbie Hancock
I've heard this is the case, need to find a cite first.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this passes as a reliable source, and Wikipedia is not the place for rumours...--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 09:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

'Squarepusher and Richard Thomas - I Am Carnal, And I Know That You Approve' missing from the discography
here's the first hit I got for it when googling the name: http://www.discogs.com/release/68006 the album is from 1999, and squarepusher is on all the tracks except for the title track —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.230.60 (talk) 02:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Only two needed citations.
I was able to verify that only two statements are actually unverified. What do you think, should we let go of the banners? Let me know, either here or my talk page. Lighthead...KILLS!! 05:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Disregard. One citation I couldn't verify may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Keep the banners. Lighthead...KILLS!! 07:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Jazz fusion
Does anybody who knows both about Squarepusher and the genre jazz fusion know if Squarepusher is a member of that sub-genre? I personally don't know too much about jazz fusion. From what I see there on that page it doesn't look like it. I personally thought that jazz fusion was just jazz fused into any other genre. But, evidently it is not. I'd appreciate people's thoughts. Also, I assume that the person who added that as one of his genres assumed that as well. Just a side note. Lighthead...KILLS!! 03:52, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Everything
Everything I can find refers to Hello Everything as a studio album, not an EP. I'm gonna change it unless someone objects. I'll try to find a relevant citation. Even the "Careers" section doesn't mention anything about it being an EP. It is also referred to as a studio album in Hello Everything. Pariah24 (talk) 01:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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