Talk:Squeaky Fromme/Archive 1

LGBT?
I removed the Category:LGBT murderers. I see no evidence presented that she actively identified as lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. Blackcats 03:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

And she didn't murder anyone did she. She just pointed a gun at Ford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.143.232.215 (talk) 09:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Released?
The article says she was released in late 2007, yet i can find nothing to indicate this anywhere. Sara Jane Moore was released on December 31st, 2007, 32 years after her assassination attempt on Gerald Ford. Squeaky Fromme had tried to assassinate Gerald Ford 17 days prior to this. The federal bureau of prisons states that she is still located in Carswell Federal Medical Center in northern Texas. Can someone please clarify and correct the statement if it is indeed incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.174.110 (talk) 01:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

she has not been released. She will never be released. The article is on Wikipedia and hence incorrectHydeDoctor (talk) 05:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Westchester Lariats
I am part of the westchester lariats. We are a good group for those who like dancing! However, I was never aware Fromme was part of our group many years ago. Does anyone know if she dropped out of the group when she left school? User:Painttheskyblue

Photo
Why does the photo not show the actual person the article is about? Somebody oughta change that, they should.

Squeaky?
Why is her nickname unexplained? DA723 22:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

According to a transcription of a September 15, 1975 Time article, her nickname was given to her by Charles Manson because of her "tiny and high-pitched voice." I changed the article to reflect this. NetRanger64 01:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The article on Charles Manson says that George Spahn actually gave her the nickname--not sure what the real story is but someone should change it. 64.132.218.4 19:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How she recieved her nickname is mentioned in almost every writing on the topic. She was called "Squeaky" because George Spahn would run his hand up her leg or pinch her and that was the sound she would make when he did this. Manson had her take care of him to help secure thier lodging at the movie ranch. It is stated that Manson had her sleep with Spahn to help secure the Families stay at Spahn's Movie Ranch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.14.185 (talk) 09:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Assassination attempt on Ford
In this article, it says that the Colt .45 that Fromme was wielding had 4 bullets in it, none of which were in the firing chamber when she attempted to fire the weapon. However, in the article on Gerald Ford, under "Assassination attempts", it is stated that the weapon had 5 bullets in it, none of which were in the firing chamber. So, what amount of bullets were actually in the gun?


 * Looks like four in this picture

According to the following three transcriptions of news articles, there were four bullets: I changed the article to reflect this. NetRanger64 01:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Squeaky' Picked a Spot—and Then Just Waited - Los Angeles Times
 * The Girl Who Almost Killed Ford - Time
 * Ford's Brush With Death - Newsweek

No shell was chambered: was this deliberate?
The FAQ seems to no longer exist on squeakyfromme.org, which leaves un-reference text:
 * 'Fromme is reported to have subsequently told the Sacramento Bee that she had deliberately ejected the round in her weapon's chamber before leaving home that morning, and investigators later found a .45 ACP round in her bathroom.[4]'

Perhaps one the Fromme biographies could be cited. I had always wondered how one of the Mason clan would have NOT known, and not been instructed, in how to use a semi-auto .45, even though after the assassination "attempt" she shouted, in reference to her more soft-spoken pistol, "It didn't go off. Can you believe it? It didn't go off." http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,917812-3,00.html Daven brown (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * At What to do when a reference link "goes dead" I learned how to access web info from "defunct links" by using http://www.webarchive.org/. Also, see Using the Wayback Machine. So, I found that the creator of the FAQ page at squeakyfromme.org did not reference where this came from:
 * Did Lynette Fromme intend to kill the President of the United States?
 * Five years after her arrest, in an interview at Alderson, Fromme told The Sacramento Bee that she had purposely ejected the uppermost round in her weapon before leaving her P Street home that morning in 1975. "I was not determined to kill the guy, obviously, because I didn't do it." The round was later found by investigators in her bathroom.
 * She said that when she took the gun and asked herself if she was going to use it she decided, "I don't know. Just go and check it out. That's exactly what I was doing."http://web.archive.org/web/20060709005016/http://www.squeakyfromme.org/faq.htm
 * I researched a few of the archived links in the associated "Media" page http://web.archive.org/web/20060706213803/www.squeakyfromme.org/media/index.htm, which link only to what appears to be hand-typed versions of hard-copy articles from the period. I didn't find any Sacramento Bee article from 1980 (i.e., an article from five years after Fromme's 1975 arrest). So, I marked the wiki paragraph claim as "weasle-inline" and since the cited text is unreliable (uncited in itself). I should have removed the claim from the article because citations in biographies of a living person SHOULD meet a higher standard. I'll come back an put-in some citations to places where Fromme DOES claim that she had not necessarily meant to assassinate Ford, but was more looking for a sort of publicity (for environmental causes and possibly subpoenaing Charles Mason, for whatever reason). Daven brown (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

edits
I removed several inaccuracies (per the Bravin biography).

Surname
The family's surname is usually mispronounced with a silent "e". - So how is it pronounced? Or is it mispromounced and it does have asilent "e", but that doesn't look like what is meant. 74.12.141.54 17:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a pronunciation listed here: http://www.loc.gov/nls/other/sayhow.html. Apparently it has a long "e" at the end. I agree that the sentence is confusing, though. -Lilitou 21:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Lynette (and her family) pronounces her surname with a long "e", e.g. Fromi, and has expressed annoyance at her name constantly being mispronounced From. The mispronunciation stems from the judge in the Gerald Ford trial. 72.132.144.48 10:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

the uncited apple incident
I found a story from the Judge's law partner saying she hit Keyes in the temple - and that she told the Judge it was meant for the judge. http://courthistory.tripod.com/macbride.html People retelling the story and changing it to "between the eyes" seems common: http://jonathanturley.org/2008/01/01/sarah-jane-moore-would-be-assassin-of-gerald-ford-freed-after-32-years/ Ah, here we go. A Time article from 1975. "Fromme, a member of the bizarre 'family' of convicted Murderer Charles Manson, carried over her arm the same red robe she had worn on that day, as well as an apple ('For you, your honor,' she said when U.S. District Court Judge Thomas J. MacBride noticed it). After U.S. Attorney Dwayne Keyes recommended severe punishment because she was full of 'hate and violence,' Squeaky hurled the apple at him from close range, hitting him in the face and knocking off his glasses, and shouted: 'He's the one to talk about hate!'"I'll correct the article and add this reference. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945442,00.html --Danny Rathjens (talk) 04:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Stockton Record Newspaper Monday, November 13, 1972 info
(→Popular culture: some tv shows have referenced her, and she's a character in a musical about presidential assassins. is this stuff seriously worth reporting?)

This information is worth reporting because it helps to shed light on what her life was like in Stockton. It describes what type of people she was living with and describes in more detail the murder that happened in Stockton when she was there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholasweed (talk • contribs) 07:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The question regards trivia and non-pertinent content like her being mentioned in an episode of The Gilmore Girls. It has no place in the article per WP:TRIVIA. Wildhartlivie (talk)

“it is absolutely a copyright violation to recreate an entire newspaper story.”

Quotation marks were used along with a proper source credit for the original authors of the story. So, I do not see how this can be a copyright violation at all. Nicholasweed (talk


 * See WP:NFC and WP:NFC. Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. and Excessively long copyrighted excerpts ... If the text is important as a source or quotation, it should be worked into the article in text form with the article cited as a source. Copying an entire news item into an article with no effort at incorporating it in a meaningful way is absolutely a copyright violation.