Talk:Squier

As far as I know, plywood was never used for any Squier guitars other than the Bullet. I do know that the current versions of affinity/standard are alder or ash. The only major difference between a standard Squier and a real Fender is the hardware. Affinity has a slightly thinner body than the standard but is still made of ash/alder.


 * Sorry, but your knowledge is severely lacking. The downturn of the Squier brand was directly related to the new owner, FMIC, moving production from Japan to India (for a matter of months only) and then to Korea in order to take the brand down market in terms of cost and quality. Even many Japanese-made models were plywood in the late 1980's and early 1990's, including some fully Fender. 1997 saw the *offical* turning point. Of the contemporary range, the Bullets (not positively comparable to the early 1980's models of the same name) are supposedly the only ones to feature plywood bodies, however in Asian markets it's common to see hybrid Squiers with plywood bodies.

RE: "no forums"


 * 12. Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to. Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard."


 * The fact is that Wikipedia's Squier entry especially, is to-date extremely poor - the likes of the Fender, Strat and Tele entries aren't actually totally reliable either. Therefore, links to knowledgeable sites that can fill in the gaps is surely a good idea, and fully in keeping with the guidelines from the External Links page quoted above. The Fender Discussion Page is the biggest Fender forum, and the members of the Fender Info-Base are some of the most knowledgeable out there.

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some major problems here
As noted above, there are some inherent difficulties with this article, maybe insurmountable.

First must be determined whether this article is primarily about the Squier brand or guitars branded Squier. It doesn't take much work to determine that there is real-world difference between the semi-autonomous Squier brand, and Fender "Squier Series" models, and guitars manufactured as "Squier by Fender," and borderline Fender models like the Squier II series. This differentiation isn't difficult to grasp: for the most part, they are linked only by a similar name. Therefore, at best, the case must be presented somewhere in the article for sticking these disparate parts together.

Most of the Instrument models section must go away. If someone intends to say "Squier produces their own versions of the standard Fender models," then say so without the chart. If you want to include a similar list, then clarify its timespan AND include EVERY model that existed in that timespan, otherwise it's nothing but a scrapheap of random trivia. partially resolved

As well, if the usual fanboy list of signature models must be trotted out, then make it complete, up-to-date, and global. For instance, the O-Larn model.

The entire Serial number tracing section must go. As a guitar fan, I appreciate its utility. However, among other points, Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook. resolved

The article is shot through with "insider" terms, like skunk stripe, that NEED definition.

The Instrument series in general needs both to be better written so as not to sound like a close paraphrase of old Squier/Fender adsheet material, and to be expanded into some sort of sub-articles with proper updating (for instance, the Affinity has been around for fully two decades now). Weeb Dingle (talk) 06:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I've blanked the list of the various Squier models. The brand was resurrected FOUR DECADES ago, so any such collection needs sourcing to be here, and should be curated to distinguish past models from present. Effort must be made to mention distinguishing characteristics of each entry. If it's just going to be a list of articles, then it should be made a List page.


 * I've also blanked the essays about various models. While informative, sources need to be provided. And, again, this needs to be made complete AND curated: one online retailer presently lists Bullet, Limited Edition Bullet, Special Edition Bullet, Affinity, FSR Bullet, Vintage Modified, Standard, Contemporary, Deluxe, Classic Vibe, Contemporary, and FSR Classic Vibe; these all overlap heavily, particularly in the large $200-to-$450 range.


 * I'd like to see these lacks fixed, which is why I haven't deleted them outright. Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Well done! This article has now been cleaned up so much it says SFA about Squier after it's re-establishment in 1982. Basically, the article is now effectively worthless... Stub Mandrel (talk) 20:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia!! I do hope that you enjoy the experience of learning to become an actual editor of this online encyclopedia. You should perhaps begin by reading an article I find highly significant: What Wikipedia is not. Weeb Dingle (talk) 23:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Jerome Bonaparte Squier was not an immigrant from England
The statement that the Boston violin maker Jerome Bonaparte Squier was an immigrant from England is demonstrably wrong. As best I can see, this notion was invented in recent decades by the Fender musical instrument company, possibly to add a dash of romance to the story of the Squier music company that Fender acquired in 1965. With one exception, every contemporary record that I can find indicates the Boston luthier, and father of Victor Carroll Squier, was born in Ohio in 1838 or 1839, a son of Andrew J. Squier. The only exception is a census record for 1880 that states that he was born in Michigan. Nothing from the lifetime of Jerome Bonaparte Squier even remotely suggests that he was an immigrant.

I don't have the proficiency in Wikipedia markup language that I would need in order to revise the Wikipedia articles about Jerome Bonaparte Squire and the V. C. Squire Company and correctly cite my sources. So I'll leave this information here in raw form in case someone else would like to fix those two articles.

According to his Boston death certificate, Jerome B Squier, violin maker who died there on 1 June 1912, was born on 19 Nov 1838 in Akron, Ohio, a son of Andrew J. Squier.

The web site of the Johnson String Instrument shop of Newton Upper Falls, Massachusetts, a seller of vintage stringed instruments, says (at https://www.johnsonstring.com/american-collection/squier.htm) that Jerome Bonaparte Squier was born in Cleveland, Ohio.

The 1850 US census records Jerome Squires, age 11, born in Ohio, a son of A J and Joanna Squires, living in Chesterfield, Fulton County, Ohio.

The 1860 US census records Jerome Squires, age 21, born in Ohio, a son of A J and Joanna Squires, living in Buchanan, Page County, Iowa.

An 1863 US draft registration record of the Michigan counties of Eaton, Ingham, Calhoun, Jackson, and Washtenaw lists Jerome B Squier of Battle Creek, age 24, born in Ohio, a shoemaker, married.

The 1870 US census records J B Squire, age 32, born in Ohio, married to Olive Squire, living in Battle Creek, Calhoun County, Michigan with four children including Victor C Squire, age 3.

The 1880 US census records Jerome B Squire, age 40, born in Michigan, divorced, living in Worcester, Massachusetts, a shoe pattern maker.

Most records of the 1890 US census were destroyed in a fire in 1921, including all records for Massachusetts.

The 1900 US census records Jerome B Squier, born April 1839 in Ohio, married for 20 years but living singly as a lodger in Boston, Massachusetts, a violin maker.

The 1910 US census records Jerome B Squier, age 72, born in Ohio, father born in New York, mother born in Ohio, married for 29 years to Jeannette E. Squier, living in Boston, Massachusetts, a violin maker.

It's notable that the collection of Page County, Iowa obituaries cited in the Wikipedia article about Jerome Bonaparte Squier itself strongly suggests that Squier was born in Ohio, not England. The transcribed obituary for Jerome Bonaparte Squier, attributed to the Clarinda Herald of Clarinda, Iowa, on July 25, 1912, states that he was a brother of Eugene W. Squier, and the transcribed obituary for Eugene W. Squier, attributed to the Page County Democrat of Clarinda, Iowa, also on Jul 25, 1912, states that Eugene was born in Cleveland, Ohio in 1841, a son of Andrew Jackson and Joanna Squier.

Finally, an image at https://www.gegoux.com/UDVBM-Henley-page1092-Squier.jpg, showing pages 1092 and 1093 of the Universal Dictionary of Violin and Bow Makers (presumably the 1268-page 1973 edition), gives a brief biography of Jerome Bonaparte Squier that says that he was born in Ohio in 1838.

As a sidebar, an unsourced account posted to Ancestry.com states that a tradition among the descendants of Andrew Jackson Squier (or Squiers, or Squires), father of Jerome (and Eugene), has it that he was born with the surname Coleman, and that after his father died (or left), his mother remarried a John Squire or Squires or Squier, and Andrew took his stepfather's surname, or at any rate an approximation thereof. This may or not be the case. But contemporary records do seem to clearly indicate that Jerome Bonaparte Squier was certainly not an immigrant from England or anywhere else.

Jerome B. Squier's Boston death record, his draft record, and all of the abovementioned US census records can be easily found on ancestry.com. As is usual with ancestry.com, many of these records are badly mistranscribed; I have ignored the transcriptions and looked only at the images of the original records themselves. pnh (talk) 13:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)