Talk:Stéphane Dion/Archive 3

Carbon tax debate
This article is badly out of date. The debate long ago moved on from election timing and so-called internal discord and by far now the most significant focus of the press around Dion is his carbon tax proposal.

Even his enemies are acknowledging the gutsiness of this approach, though usually when Harper or MacKay talk about it they mix in some questionable spin. They seem to be afraid of this debate. The national press has been much more balanced and almost always acknowlege the courage of the plan and the need to put a price on carbon  regardless of by which means this is done. The consensus on all sides is that Dion has "bet his leadership" on this issue and this proposal, so it certainly deserves a whole section of this article and much more attention than this old "internal discord" debate.

The proposal has brought on a profound range of comment especially from Alberta separatists and climate change deniers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.93.44 (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Not a leader
He speaks in a very peculiar way too. Does he suffer from a mental impairment of some kind? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.211.195.122 (talk) 00:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * English isn't his first language. And this really isn't the place to discuss our opinions of him as a person; it's a place to discuss improvements and changes to the article. Bearcat (talk) 01:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Greenshift Copywrite Infringement
From the documents I've looked at the 'Green Shift' company, mentioned in the Green Shift section in the article, filed for its copyright protection and forgot to finish their paperwork--thus nulling their their claim of copyright protection against the Liberal party.

And almost all legal actions, judging from the proceedings of the court case between the GreenShift.ca and the Liberal party have halted. It seems to be a null issue now so I advocate for its removal from the article.

Since I'm a new member I'd prefer someone else do these edits. I'm still learning how to edit articles and I'm afraid I might make Wikipedia explode if I do something wrong..Karthan (talk) 02:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Federalism
No Objective analysis can yield the conclusion that Dion is a Trudeau federalist. He is in no way a Trudeau "centralist," he is very much a decentralist. Surely defending the very basis of a state does not make you a centralist, as a federal politician. The SUFA explicitly undermines Trudeau's views on the federal spending power, as does Dion's support for Meech Lake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.116.209 (talk) 04:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture
This guy might just be PM in as little as less than a week. Do we have any decent photos, of good quality without a busy background or motion blur, to show him off? Radagast (talk) 03:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The 40th Parliament has been suspended until Jan 26, 2009. GoodDay (talk) 20:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Spelling
1) In the first sentence of "Parliamentary Opposition", "attempting to capitalized" should be changed to "attempting to capitalize".

2) In the last line of "Supreme Court reference re Secession of Quebec", the word "favor" should be replaced with its Canadian spelling, "favour." This would be in keeping with the spelling of "-our" words used throughout in the article, including "favour" itself (under "Clarity Act"). The word "favoring" comes up under "Internal Discord" and should be replaced with "favouring".

3) Other spellings which fall under "American" include "defense" (Brit "defence") and "labeled" (Brit "labelled"). However, I suspect that in these cases either spelling is acceptable to most English Canadian readers. Could anyone suggest a source to consult?

4) Where it says "Shortly after Dion lead the Liberal caucus" it's the past tense, so that should be "led."

Langues (talk) 05:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, when it comes to typos, you can go ahead and fix them yourself; that's what the edit button is for. And it takes less time than explaining it here. --Saforrest (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The page is protected or semi-protected. I don't know if registered users can edit. 76.21.8.213 (talk) 03:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 76.21.8.213 has a good point. It is semi-protected but, at the time, Langues was not auto-confirmed so could not edit it. Double Blue  (talk) 04:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Dion's resignation
Dion didn't say he was resigning as Liberal Leader in May 2009. He said he was resigning when the party selects his successor (which might be in May 2009). GoodDay (talk) 19:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

As of tonight (2008-12-01, 17h00), it seems that the coalition government is almost formed, lacking only the signing of the document. According to latest news, Stephane Dion is to be the prime minister if the coalition is made effective.
 * Dion has announced his resignation as Liberal leader, to take effect when his successor is chosen. PS- sorta similiar to what he announced in October. GoodDay (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
Could someone (who know how) update the Infobox. Dion's resignation as Liberal leader has taken effect, as Michael Ignatieff has been chosen the interim leader. Also, Ignatieff has become the Opposition leader. GoodDay (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I've updated it. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Tone
I want to dicuss this quote with respect to tone:

"Dion is a former academic who served as a cabinet minister under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin. Like all former Cabinet ministers, he is a member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, and has the right to the style "The Honourable" and the postnominal "PC" for life"

The implication is that he should not be part of the Privy Council. This implication contradicts Wikipedia's Policy of Neutral Point of View. Without knowing much about the Privy Council, I would suggest this section be rewritten as: "Dion is a former cabinet minister, and as such, is a Member of the Privy Council."

Let's leave the postnominal "PC" for the article on the Privy Council. I would relegate his history of being a university professor in another paragragh; keep this paragarph pertaining to why he is a member of the Privy Council.

Furthermore, I suggest the sentiment that Dion is unfit for for the "Privacy Council" be put somewhere else if sources can be found supporting this sentiment.

Writerz (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at that excerpt, I do not see any implication that Dion should not be part of the Privy Council. -Joshuapaquin (talk) 01:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree but it's also more information than is really required for the introduction to the biography. I've re-written it much as suggested by Writerz. Double Blue  (talk) 03:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a suspicion this is someone trying to make clear what the style is after running up against Wikipedia's awkward policy on this. It appears on a lot of other articles. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Alma mater
I noticed that Sciences Po is not listed. It may be beneficial to list it. I would add it but I do not have the permission to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.156.175 (talk) 20:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

If there is one article that sums up his time as leader
...it would have to be this one. That single article from October 17, 2007 seems to sum up the general role of both Dion and the Conservative & Liberal response to him during his two years as leader:

''Dion persisted without acknowledging his opponents, who by this time were gobsmacked by a case of the mass giggles. It was so widespread at one point that even Michael Ignatieff – the Liberals' deputy leader who sits right next to Dion – cupped his face to stifle a laugh.

''But Dion plodded ahead.

Esn (talk) 01:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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