Talk:St. George Illawarra Dragons/Archive 1

Stats
Obviously the St George and Illawarra clubs are part of SGI's history, but it's a new team. Statistics have started afresh and are quite separate, just as with the Tigers and N.Eagles. The next premiership will be their first, Barrett has only played 134 games not 179 for them etc. --Paul 10:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep agree. That's the way it's done in almost every stat/record book I've seen. Gotta keep 'em seperated. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite this being the way most record books report statistics, I can assure you this is not the way the Club sees it, and the Club is trying to make the NRL see their point of view on ths. As far as St George Illawarra management are concerned, the next premiership will be the club's 16th
 * The basic reason behind this is that no club has discontinued their history to be a part of the Joint Venture, rather their history has been ongoing. To go on with the example of Barrett, Trent has not played for any other club than that which he started with.
 * Anyway, it's a tricky one, but I stand fully behind the Club's view that, while St George Illawarra has its own statistics, historical statistics of St George Dragons and Illawarra Steelers should be counted as part of this club's history. Gonzerelli 01:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, then, in the infobox it could show like Premierships: 0 (15/0) to indicate St.G-Ill's single, with (Dragons / Steelers) stats in the brackets. Then a note or section could be added to the article about the differing views on their stats - David Middleton and the NRL want it as a new entity, the club and a lot of fans (usu. St George) want them all to be added. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 03:25, 25 February

2006 (UTC)
 * Nice suggestion AM, one I'll go with. :) Gonzerelli 03:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I won't change it, but I don't agree. To apply this to the Tigers they've won 16 premierships too. Balmain 11, Wests 4, WT 1 .. don't think so. Furthermore they were premiers and runners up in the same year (1948). And if it's 15 titles for SGI (at present) what about actual games won and lost? StG and Ill. added together? Then some games will count as a loss and win. So in closing.. Eric Grothe, jr has no titles under his belt, not 0 (0/4) 'cause of his Dad's :) --Paul 06:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I feel there needs to be some acknowledgement to the rich history of the club from 1921 - 1998 within the statistics. The club emblem remains the same, and so does the pride of fans who followed the club prior to the amalgamation. The club that has iconic names such as Gasnier, Langlands, Smith and Stone etc. doesn't suddenly cease to exist simply by adding 'Illawarra' to the clubs title. Grumpy57 (talk) 11:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grumpy57 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All that matters is what reliable third party sources say.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Financial situation
Just a quick note, is it true that both clubs were financially struggling before the merger? I was under the impression that St. George were the wealthy ones, and Illawarra needed the money. I mean, it was only earlier this year when the Steelers Club paid off their debt to St. George wasn't it? Nintenmo 13:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The dot...
Anyone notice the disappearing dot: St. ? The article title omits it, but it appears off and on in the text. Strangely also, even though logo clearly has it, the SGI website doesn't use it uniformly either.


 * To be honest, I hadn't paid that much attention to this (which is ironic since I was the person who was so pedantic about the removal of the dash from the name!). Very interesting now you point this out.
 * The logo, of course, has a dot. But by and large, the dot is not used. I guess it's a matter of convenience rather than rigidly sticking to a rule.
 * I don't feel the title of this article needs a period added, however if you feel the need to create a redirect page then go for it. (Then again, this may not be needed, as there have been no problems to date with creating links to this article...)
 * Gonzerelli 06:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Brown
Someone might want to add something in about how brown became coach (and even when he became coach). Right now there is nothing. Macktheknifeau 15:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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2007
Looks like someone wants a 2007 page. Alexsanderson83 07:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * not necessarily, I don't think run on sides should be included at all. Michellecrisp 07:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Moved run-on side to 2007 page. Londo06 20:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

We need more stuff for the 2007 season Chorocobo 11:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

"40" players
With Head and Williams gone mid-season is it still accurate to say there are "40 signed players" in the squad ? if so what are the names of the two new ones ? -Sticks66 13:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
St George Illawarra Dragons 2007 should be merged into this article. The only information it contains is an end-of-season table. If there is any more relevant information, it should be conatined in this article. If not, just mention the Dragons' 2007 position (in this article)-- if people want a full table they can go to the NRL article. Cdlw93 05:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge it, the end of season transfers can be maintained on the main article anyway. - Vicer 15:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Jerseys
I've removed the pre-1999 St. George Dragons jerseys from the article. This is because every other part of the article treats St. George and St. George-Illawarra as two seperate teams. In order to remain consistent with the rest of the article, I feel this is the best choice. I've also used one of the former St. George jerseys to illustrate the 1999-2005 alternate as I remember it, if I'm mistaken please feel free to correct. Gialloneri (talk) 00:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. The team didn't exist before 1999. Illawarra and St. George have their own articles.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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History
For most WP subjects whose history is given, the history is an integral part of the subject article. This has a separate WP article for its history and this article refers the reader to that history article.

BUT

1) The history should be brought entirely into the subject article.

2) The history section now in the main article is far far longer than the history article, which is another reason for discontinuing the latter.--SilasW (talk) 12:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Rivalries
Anyone else have a problem with this POV garbage being removed? Feel free to rewrite and cite it to be more like an encyclopedia if you do.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Nickname
Reddys and Whiteys ? What rubbish. - Sticks  66  14:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Supporters
So they're local - from the St George & the Illawarra areas (surprise, surprise). But also from South East Queensland. And all over NSW. And from Melb & Geelong in Vic. And from other states too !! Honestly, it seems their supporters are from everywhere, so really what is the point of this section. - Sticks  66  11:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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Jersey influenced by St Helens?
I've recently heard the suggestion that the SGI jersey was inspired by that of English club St Helens (also known as the Red V) or vice versa, but I can't find any confirmation anywhere. Anyone here have any idea? Grutness... wha?   08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Sponsorships section
I feel like the sponsorships section is probably un-encyclopedic. The other NRL clubs that I checked did not have that information in their articles. Should we discuss removing it? --Reader781 (talk) 04:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)