Talk:St. Louis crime family

Fake
Yet another article on organized crime in St. Louis that is fake and made up. There are a few names of former St. Louis gangsters that are real, the rest is made up. I have no idea who is writing these false articles on St. Louis organized crime figures but this person needs to grow up. All the information in this article is either inaccurate or fake. Lock &amp; Key (talk) 21:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Getting your knickers in a twist about a bunch of criminals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by X-Man1000 (talk • contribs) 09:37, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, would love to start some commentary on the subject
I have seen a site that had a mafia chart of the St. Louis family, and am not sure if it is all accurate. The thing is, I have looked up a lot of the people on various sites, and have found information on these people. Some of these individuals have several addresses that are fake, i.e. nothing is there, as if they made them up themselves for the deceit of law enforcement. Also, some of these individuals have a lot of action on court websites, i.e. long rap sheets. I want to know who this individual is that is posting these things, do you live around or eat at in "The Hill" in St. Louis? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.193.254 (talk) 04:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * My suggestion is for you to basically ignore any charts you see online on the St. Louis Mafia. As I pointed out above, there's a guy who made up a fake chart, some with real names (both dead and still living) and some names he made up, and that has appeared on a lot of Internet sites. Truthfully, I don't know for sure if there is a St. Louis Mafia anymore, but I would be surprised -- VERY SURPRISED -- to find out there still was one.  I do not think it exists anymore.  Sure, there's some former members still living in the St. Louis area, but that means nothing.  That does not mean there is still a "St. Louis Family."  Most of the stuff you read online about the St. Louis Mafia, even historical articles, are generally inaccurate. I am into researching the history of the Mafia in St. Louis.  That's where there's stuff you can find on the St. Louis Mafia, not in the present.  Anyhow, good luck on your own research.  (By the way, court documents, mostly only appeals of convictions are archived online, do not contain rap sheets, i.e., arrest records.) Lock &amp; Key (talk) 05:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the response sir. Well there was really a St. Louis Family.  I was talking to an old mafia detective who used to travel to other cities from St. Louis to Chicago and I think KC and New York to establish linkages with the family.  This detective was in some sort of a gunfight.  He told me the area was so bad where some of the rackets where, that they had to use unconventional, and I think illegal methods of law enforcement to take care of problems.  This guy said something like they blew up a car of a drug dealer, and that all of them carry big guns.  This was mainly with the blacks though I believe.  He said they arrested the Italian Don there that was heading the St. Louis group back in the day, and that he is dead.  He said they used to follow him all over the place and go up to his house in the middle of St. Louis.  He said they used to survey all the mob people.  I also talked with this old school kind of dirty guy, and he said there really was Italian mob here back in the 70s when he was growing up, and some guy died in some bomb or something. I would be really surprised if you find anything about the St. Louis family, I think law enforcement is going to know the most and have documents about it.  There might be some cosa nostra here, but it doesn't appear to be much more then a glorified crew if anything, and to them it is just business, its not like they would be in the heart of the Philly Mob, or one of the New York families that take the cosa nostra really seriously.  If anything, I would think St. Louis answers to KC, that might be a way to start, also look at Chicago.  I could ask around though when I have time, I know people that live more in the city part, and they have to deal with the gangs and shootings around.  So if anything they would know if there are kick ups made to Italian people, but I seriously doubt it.  If anything union work, construction, and night clubs might be something they would be into, but I don't think it is cosa nostra, or like I said if anything a glorified small crew that is made in another family just surveying the day to day operations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.193.254 (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am well aware that there really was a St. Louis LCN Family. I just don't believe there is one anymore. And there were a heck of a lot of mob car-bombings throughout the St. Louis area between 1954 (when it all began) and 1981 (the last one). More than 20 car-bombings. Not all of them were committed by the St. Louis Family, however. The Buster Wortman mob, which also answered to the Chicago mob and was based across the river in East St. Louis, was responsible for a lot of them, probably most of them. Some reasons behind the bombings were just downright petty. One member of their mob blew up a guy for St. Louis Family boss Tony Giordano in 1967. He was blown up because he gave Giordano's son a black eye. Car-bombed a guy over a black eye! One guy (a dentist, no less) car-bombed a woman in 1980 to collect on her life-insurance policy. Car-bombings were so prevalent throughout the St. Louis area that the man killed her with a car-bombing to make the police think the mob did it. One guy who rigged up a handful of local car-bombings was found in the trunk of his car in the long-term parking lot at Lambert in 1983. In fact, that marked the last-known mob hit in St. Louis. By the way, this article is still full of BS. I cannot believe no one hasn't deleted it yet. It's just stuff some idiot made up. This is why most people know to avoid Wikipedia. Lock &amp; Key (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Liable is an actionable offense.

No References
A lot of these claims are unreferenced, and since the article is stating that living people are not only criminals, but murderers, we really need sources. There's also a lot of slang, like 'made members' and 'zips.' Bkatcher (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)