Talk:St. Nicholas (magazine)

Multiple sources
I've added multiple sources to find scanned copies:


 * St. Nicholas, via University of Florida's Digital Collection (complete issues and volumes, 1873-1897)
 * St. Nicholas, via Internet Archive (scanned books original editions illustrated - many digital formats high quality scans)
 * St. Nicholas, via Google Books (scanned books original editions illustrated - PDF only medium quality scans).

All three are needed since none are fully complete and the scans are of various quality and formats. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

A Quote
"... the best juvenile magazine ever published..." -- Rebecca West, 1900, chap. I 166.137.11.185 (talk) 19:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Expanding Article
I am beginning to research St. Nicholas Magazine so I can expand the article and include references. I want to put in a section about The St. Nicholas League, and mention the popular option of sending away 6 issues to be bound into a hard-back volume. I also want to list all of the editors.

One problem is that I've come across numerous dates cited as when the magazine ceased publication.--Karenthewriter (talk) 01:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I went ahead, did the research, and posted a new article. Hopefully someone who knows how to do so will add some pictures. Karenthewriter (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism
I was checking the external links and went to the University of Florida website. The current St. Nicholas Magazine article has been lifted word for word from their site, with two new sentences added. Last year I learned a painful lesson when I tried to "fix" a plagiarized article by changing some words--all of my work was deleted by another person. In a day or two I'll write a new summary and delete the entire article now on Wikipedia. In time I'll come back and expand the new sub. --Karenthewriter (talk) 13:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and deleted the plagiarized article, and put in a quickly written "starter" article. I'll need to expand this when I have time. --Karenthewriter (talk) 14:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * by the same editor later that week. See the preceding section. --P64 (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Pagename, magazine title
Why  St. Nicholas Magazine ? In what sense was that the official title of the magazine, a matter that should be covered in the article. Our one front cover image displays ST. NICHOLAS. (two dots).

If the title of the magazine was St. Nicholas then the page name, or article title, should be  St. Nicholas (magazine)  or perhaps  St. Nicholas magazine. Eh?

Google Books now shows at least three apparent titles --P64 (talk) 18:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * St. Nicholas
 * St. Nicholas: A Monthly Magazine for Boys and Girls
 * St. Nicholas: An Illustrated Magazine for Young Folks


 * HathiTrust Digital Library has a collection with full view that is complete or nearly so for 1873 to 1922 (after which the content is under copyright). Consider Volume 25, 1897–98:


 * Volume 25 at Pennsylvania State U, evidently as bound, begins with Part I full-title page that states St. Nicholas: an Illustrated Magazine for Young Folks: [...] HDL image 7; followed by Part I half-title page that states St. Nicholas: Volume XXV. Part I. Six Months--November, 1897, to April, 1898. HDL image 9; followed by the index to Part I as pp. V-VIII (images 11-14) --so that the full-title and half-title sheets constitute unnumbered pp. I-IV--; followed by back and front sides of an illustrated plate ("frontisplate", so to speak) as unnumbered pp. 1-2 (images 15-16) ; followed by pages 3-528 including unnumbered front covers (images 17-544), where the first printed and numbered page p3 (HDL image 17) begins with a St. Nicholas Volume XXV, Part I, November 1897 monthly header and ends p528 (HDL image 544) ends with a printer's footer. Then Part II [details deleted 2022] ending p1056 (image 1080). The bound volume contains no front or back material from the monthly magazine issues, which presumably comprised at least 4 monthly front and back cover pages and probably also advertisement pages.
 * Volume 25 Part I at Harvard U (bound vol. cover, HDL image 1), evidently as bound (alone without Part II), begins with the same Part II half-title page that states St. Nicholas: Volume XXV. Part I. Six Months--November, 1897, to April, 1898.; and ends with p528 as image 532 (some missing page, ets).
 * --P64 (talk) 23:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Let's discount the second dot in "St. Nicholas." as a mere typographical curiosity -- a century ago, it would have been normal; now, it only serves to bemuse or confuse. And let's call the magazine St. Nicholas. I'm about to move the article to "St. Nicholas (magazine)". P64, you only had to wait six years for a response. Thank you for your patience. -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. For anyone interested I have corrected, expanded, and improved the page-and-image annotation of the crucial six-year-old paragraph above.


 * As afterthoughts, and with more experience, let me observe: (1) Our article title need not be an official magazine title, but I believe it should contain the word Magazine only when that is official. (2) Front and back material of the bound volume provides at least one official magazine title, on the bound volume title page, but the primary official title of the magazine is not displayed in the bound volume --in this instance, St. Nicholas Vol. XXV at Penn State. The primary official title is in the omitted front and back material of monthly issues, most likely on the front and/or back outside or inside covers. Probably the same page that names the editor, provides a mailing address, reports circulation data (and perhaps lists the issue contents). --P64 (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)