Talk:St. Petersburg, Florida

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Please see the discussion involving this page on the Saint Petersburg talk page.

Transportation Section
Should mention of the PSTA (Pinellas Suncoast Transit Authority) and major streets/avenues and federal roadways be included in this section? Osemab (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Daytime picture
Although the current picture in the InfoBox is artistically beautiful, I believe a clear picture of downtown taken during the day would be more representative of what St. Petersburg looks like rather than a very dark picture of purple hue and light trails. Does anyone have a current high resolution daytime picture of the downtown skyline that would be a better representation of what the city looks like?

Would the picture on the following page be acceptable for the daytime picture of downtown St. Petersburg? The resolution is 800 x 222 pixels. view of downtown St Petersburg Florida from the waterOsemab (talk) 21:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The Burg
I have removed the most recent edit that suggests that St. Petersburg is frequently referred to as "The Burg" by locals, on par with "St. Pete." My own impressions are that "The Burg" is only rarely used, and usually in jest. "St. Pete," however, is regularly substituted for "St. Petersburg" by locals, and would be found acceptable except in formal occasions. Google seems to agree: A search of both "St. Petersburg" and "The Burg" together controlled for the word "Russia" yields 362 results; a search of "St. Petersburg" and "St. Pete" together controlled for the word "Russia" yields 1,820,000. ALC | Talk 21:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

St. Pete is frequently referred to as "the Burg" by younger local residents. "what's happening in the 'burg tonight?" (or variants) is an oft repeated question among local Facebook users. Whether its use is sufficiently widespread to merit mention in article is questionable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaurenBrns (talk • contribs) 17:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Hulk Hogan
I believe Hogan lives in Clearwater, not St. Petersburg. I could be wrong about this. Anyone know? ALC | Talk 17:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He lived in Belleair, but is moving to (I think) Miami.User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 20:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Rename
It was suggested that this article should be renamed St. Petersburg, Florida. The vote is shown below:

Shouldn't this be at St. Petersburg, rather than Saint Petersburg? The former is much more common in my experience. --timc | Talk 02:34, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

St. Petersburg, Florida redirects here, so it doesn't really matter... unless you want to switch the two so that this page redirects to the St. version and the St. version has all the content... I understand where you're coming from, but I don't know how to go about switching the two pages... (This is the full name, but the St. version is almost certainly a more common usage, I agree.) LockeShocke 00:28, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Am I right in thinking that St Petersburg Florida is the home of Wikipdia? If so, doesn't this deserve a mention? Palefire 01:04, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * St. Petersburg is the current home of Jimbo Wales, but I think the actual servers are in Tampa, Florida and a few other places. It probably says somewhere where the physical home of Wikipedia is [the servers, I mean]. LockeShocke 01:22, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

The official name (I asked the Mayor's office) is "St. Petersburg," not "Saint Petersburg." I will put this on my list to fix, unless someone else wants to do it for me... ALC 27 July

I've moved it. violet/riga (t) 11:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I believe people refer to St Petersburg as "The Burg," or "the 'burg" more often than ALC wants us to believe. My of my friends and I refer to the great St Petersburg as 'the burg in conversation often. BPT

I've lived in St. Pete for 19 years and haven't once heard it referred to as "The Burg". I discussed this with the owner of Haslam's bookstore in downtown St. Pete and she hasn't heard the term in her 65 years in the area, either. --GeneralAntilles 09:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Mayors?
We need to do some research and create a list of mayors and terms of office.

Hay am i allowed to do this? I live here in St. Pete and I have never, ever heard of it as the burg. Well maby if i was drinking in Ybor, and wanted to sound like I was trying to yuppify what is commonly known as sleepy St. Pete. LOL I have noticed that many online forms suggest/force one to put in Saint Petersburg spelled out. I believe it is indeed "St. Petersburg", and we usually say "Saint Pete". Canadians and other tourists misstakingly call it " Saint Pete's " which is cute but more annoying than the online form issue. There is a town on the beach named St. Petersburg Beach, which is also butcherd by tourists, being called "St. Pete's Beach". A Ray Leota and a Hulk Hogan film were both partially filmed there at the Don Ce`sar hotel, which incidently is pronounced Don "say-sar" not Don Cesar. This is the final and most embarrising miss-pronunciation, as it is an upscale hotel. Not as horrific as my spelling though- please edit TY MOZ885
 * It is actually called "St. Pete Beach", not "St. Petersburg Beach". --Lakerdonald 01:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

While I find this article to be quite well done, I would like to see an in-depth section on St. Pete history and government: mayors, governmental structure, social issues, racial integration, annexations, Rays stadium, WW2 history, etc, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davis39 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Notable Residents
Removed Hulk Hogan (he lives in Belleair) and Omali Yeshitela (not known outside of St. Pete and not very prominent even in St. Pete).

Local Legend has it that Jim Morrison of the Doors lived here and attended St. Petersburg Junior College (now St. Pete. College.) Dr. Sylvia Holliday was his English teacher, and he performed on the ukelele at Beaux arts Coffee house, (then in Pinellas Park.)

Removed Omali Yeshitela. While he's known by some interested in St. Petersburg politics, he's almost completely unknown outside of St. Petersburg. I've deleted this before, not sure why someone keeps adding him here. Maybe I should add my own name?

I guess that would depend on who you are. He and his organization have been well known in South St Pete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5E:2A00:2EE2:15A7:DCC7:CDAA:EBEF (talk) 11:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Also Lived here:

Babe Ruth Al Capone [Tygerbill]

St. Petersburg Times and the Poynter Institute
From the article:

It is affiliated with the St. Petersburg Times, whose building is right across the street from The Poynter Institute.

The St. Pete Times' main office is located at 490 First Avenue South.

The Poynter Institute is located at 801 Third Street South.

The two locations are about seven-tenths of a mile apart. They certainly cannot be considered to be "right across the street" from each other.

Roger

I changed this section since the Poynter Institute is far more than just "affiliated" with the Times--it OWNS the Times. 24.193.95.184 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)SuperDav

User:Larycrews
has added a reference to Lary Crews as a notable writer. Only about 1600 ghits I've asked him to review wp notability and get back to me. :) Dlohcierekim 03:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Expansion request
Looking for information about Weedon Island, Florida, which is apparently located here and is on the List of ports in the United States.
 * Weedon Island is a port? This must be a technical designation from the early 20th century or something. There's not much port activity out there so far as I've ever seen. 128.164.100.122 19:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Your speculation is close. Weedon Island was once home to an airport that provided service between St. Petersburg and Tampa before the Gandy Bridge was build. You may find some information about this related to aviation pioneer Tony Janus. (Or the port designation may refer to the Bartow Power Plant owned by Progress Energy, which receives fuel shipments via ocean tankers) Either way, if anyone can contribute some sourced information about Weedon Island, that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacksonGreenDevil (talk • contribs) 11:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Demographics Section
I put the historical population data into the graph, but its length spills over into the next section. I added white space to compensate for this, hopefully someone can flesh out the Demographics section to fix this. --GeneralAntilles 09:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

"Highly regarded" St. Petersburg Times?
I am doubting the implications of the statement that St. Petersburg Times is "highly regarded". It may well be liked by Floridians, and is likely a good paper. Fair enough; however, the Floridians' fondness for their local paper would hardly deserve mention in the opening paragraph of the artile on St. Petersburg. Stating that the paper is "highly regarded" in such a prominent spot implies a greater significance. Its history (which is currently referenced for this claim) is admirable, but not any more so than of dozens of other American newspapers. It has the 23rd biggest circulation in the states, and has 6 Pulitzers (on the other hand, New York Times has 94, Los Angeles Times has 37, Chicago Tribune has 24, Boston Globe has 18.) While there are many good regionally important papers in the country, I am failing to see any evidence that the St. Petersburg Times stands out amongst them. Please provide evidence of this importance; else, tone down the language and move the statement to a less prominent place in the article.

DarwinPeacock 22:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it's not just mine (or other Floridian's) opinion. As I cited in the article, here's some national comments (from the "St. Petersburg Times" website ):


 * In 1997, TIME magazine again recognized the Times as one of America’s best newspapers, calling it “most resourceful.”
 * In 1999, the Columbia Journalism Review ranked the Times No. 9 on its list of the nation’s best newspapers for the 21st Century.
 * In 1996 The Times’ Travel section was named Best Newspaper Travel Section in the circulation category of 350,000-499,999 in an annual competition by the Society of American Travel Writers.
 * In 1998 The APSE (Associated Press Sports Editors) once again named the Times Sports section one of the nation’s best in three categories: Daily, Sunday and Special sections. It also named the Times sports writers among the nation’s top 10 in investigative reporting, enterprise reporting and game stories.


 * And the list goes on (and can be viewed at the link above). So, while it does seem more POV than encyclopedic, it is backed up by national accolades received.  That being said, there is no reason to judge a paper soley on the amount of Pulitzers (like you did above), as there are more prizes than that one alone. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 14:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The praise you point out is definitely factual and positive. I once again have no doubts that the paper is a deserving one.  The question that I still have is why it is so significant as to appear in the second sentence describing St. Petersburg.  Though the awards you list are plentiful, I do not believe they indicate a sufficient importance to merit placing the mention of the paper near the top of the article.  I am not alone in attaching the special importance to Pulitzers: they are listed at the top of the paper's significant award list, as they are for most papers.  The inclusion of so many varied and minor awards in the list adds to the list's arbitrarity, not its uniqueness.  The 1996 Best Newspaper Travel Section award for mid-circulation papers, for example, indicates quality but hardly points to a greater significance: the list of awards of a similar importance issued in the last decade would be in the hundreds.  Thus, considering a grab bag of minor awards implies a long list of worthy papers.  I believe that the statement we are discussing suggests that the paper is more important than simply being in the top few dozen national papers.  That being said, are there other reasons that the mention of the paper should stay close to the top of the article?  Does it play an important role in statewide politics, or in a regional/state identity?  Does it frequently achieve change through its investigative journalism?  If these are the case, the statement can be made better by replacing the vague praise with a more concrete mention of its importance.  DarwinPeacock 02:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Good points raised by DarwinPeacock. Would your concerns be satisfied by calling it a "highly regarded regional newspaper," and mentioning other more specific praise later in the article (it is, in my qualitative evaluation, the most important newspaper in Florida politics, and among national journalists in Washington is one of the most highly regarded regional newspapers in the country). 128.164.61.115 23:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, no, and for two reasons:
 * Not counting the Texas papers, the St. Pete Times is the 2nd largest paper in the Southeast behind the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and much larger to more "well-known" papers, such as the Times-Picayune, the Miami Herald, and the Virginian-Pilot, and;
 * of the 10 papers with larger circulation that have actually won a Pulitzer, the St. Pete Times has more than 2 of them.
 * By the sheer volume of circulation (2nd in the Southeast, 23rd overall) and the apparent "Holy Grail" for this entire discussion, the Pulitzer Prize, this would be the reason why the St. Pete Times deserve the superlative. Yes, there may have been more Pulitzers given to other papers, and there may be larger papers in the country, but putting all those facts together should bring clarity to the situation.  Besides, the name "St. Petersburg Times" is well-established through the newspaper community as one of the heavyweights, so much so that if you just mention either the Tampa Bay area or Florida in general, most immediately think the St. Petersburg Times, and not the other paper across the Bay with the word "Tampa" actually in the name.  So, while it seems like a suitable compromise, I have to respectfully reject your proposal on the grounds that it truly is a well-deserved moniker. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 19:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Census numbers
Where do the percentages in the census numbers come from? Last time I checked, going from 8000 to 90000 is a tad more than a 15% jump. How are they determined and should they be changed to show the real rate of change? EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 14:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * According to 'From Pines and Palmettos-- A portrait of Largo., the Largo Historical Society's history of Largo, the whole Peninsula had about 50 people in 1850. That's derived from primary sources and land grant info. Cheers, :) MikeReichold' 01:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

St Pete grew between 2000 and 2010 not decreased in population, 22K. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.29.218 (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Sunshine figures
From near the end of the lead section:
 * With a purported average of some 360 days of sunshine each year, it is nicknamed "The Sunshine City."

360 days is quite a claim - we can't just let that stand as "purported"; we need both a solid reference to someone (other than Wikipedia editors!) doing the purporting, and a solid reference for whether the claim is accurate. Loganberry (Talk) 16:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I note that one reference has now been added, which is welcome. Loganberry (Talk) 23:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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Neighborhood section
This section looks like a list, and should probably be a separate article. There is info about this at WP:NOTLINK. 018 (talk) 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Men's Health Controversy
(Moved to bottom of page per talk page guidelines)

This unscientific concoction of statistics is an unmerited, offensive slur against the city. What is the worth of it to anyone? I guess we will have to live with its being forced on the public, but I don't understand why Wikipedia is forced to exclude material that properly represents the atmosphere in the city, even when citation is included. If St. Petersburg is sad, that is probably why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎71.99.15.218 (talk • contribs)


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Structure
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Neighborhoods Section
Hello I'm a new member of Wikipedia and I came across the neighborhood page which hosts a lot of neighborhoods however there is a separate article already listing all those neighborhoods. Should be delete the section and leave the link to the Article? -Adog104 8/12/2015 12:19 PM EST


 * Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, I would delete the list of neighborhoods, since someone has created a separate article on it.  I would leave the lead-in sentence however. Happy editing.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Over Haul
With looking at the St. Petersburg Article compared to other cities in the area this article seems like a mess where some sections don't belong in others and some things are repeated. For instance under Geography and climate, Downtown & Neighborhoods are listed under this section which doesn't make a whole lot of sense where others have that information under its own Downtown section and neighborhoods as a sub section. Attractions and Points of Interests should be a sub category of Downtown. Under Crime some those demographics are outdated however some information can stay (or can be sub categorized) because crime is a great deal in St. Petersburg (From experience in my neighborhood and response time it takes Police Officers to get to an area and how big of a deal the crime is). A Government section should be added since there is none. Under Downtown maybe there can be "Landmarks", "Architecture", "Parks" as a subcategory rather than "Points of Interests". Ill start editing if someone would like me too. -Adog104 8/14/2015 3:33 PM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adog104 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi - take a look at WikiProject Cities/US Guideline for a guideline to the structure of a US city article.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:26, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

RFC: The Burg
Question: Should the nickname, The Burg (or the 'Burg), be included in the St. Petersburg, Florida's introduction to the article and the articles nickname infobox? The term is commonly used by teenagers and adults who live in the city or around it, however the nickname is deleted every time is shows up in the article. Please indicate support or oppose of the nickname with a short explanatory paragraph. 19:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't think that the nickname should be used in the introduction to the article, however I do think it is okay to use it in the infobox. Are there reliable sources that support the usage of this nickname?  Just because "teenagers" and "adults" have been known to use the term does not mean that we have sufficient evidence to include it.  Therefore, if you have reliable sources that support the information, then I think including it in the infobox serves sufficient purpose.  Cheers,  Comatmebro  User talk:Comatmebro 18:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Here are some sources that provide for the nickname, but I'm listing a few to make sure.
 * Background of The Burg
 * The Burg official website
 * Used by mayor - Used by TBT Reporter
 * Visual arts - Visual arts
 * Travel
 * Report about the 'Burg and background


 * Oppose It shouldn't be in the lead. Perhaps in the article but not in the lead. Specially since the name seems to be controversial. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 01:19, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * (Note: A reason why I asked with teenagers and adults since its a fairly new nickname than The Sunshine City and St. Pete, however has grown to a notable nickname throughout the years from its creation). I would totally agree with it being inside the infobox as well since its one of the newer notable nicknames.  A dog 104  Talk to me 20:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * (Note 2: In the media section, there is information about the burg from the ilovetheburg.com)  A dog 104  Talk to me 01:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe in infobox, definatley not in the lead. My personal preference for including a city nickname would be to only include the really well known ones (e.g.The Big Apple). However I know from experience that editors like to add lots of different nicknames to articles and a quick look at some other cities suggests this is the norm. AIR corn (talk) 21:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe in infobox, not in lead. If it's reliably sourceable as common and consistent, then include it in the infobox field. Note that this means a RS says it's commonly used. Cherry picking  it does not qualify, per WP:NEOLOGISM. If it does suit that sourcing requirement, whether to include it in the lead is matter for editorial consensus on this talk page, and I'd argue against it, because it's a local colloquialism, thus trivia; if people outside this area do not refer to it this way, then the nickname is not of encyclopedic importance. Contrast "the Big Apple" for New York City, a nickname with which virtually all Americans and probably most native English speakers are familiar.  belongs in a city article's lead.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:11, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article seems to indicate that the use of the nickname is contested.  It sounds kind of like a forced meme, but I wouldn't really know; I've never heard of this controversy before and was summoned by the bot. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Updated RFC
To get a clear consensus from the previous RFC (as all opposed the nickname in the introduction, but most concluded the infobox as a possible place):

Question - Should the nickname, The Burg (stylized as the 'Burg from sources), be included in the St. Petersburg, Florida's infobox? Please indicate support or oppose of the nickname with a short explanatory paragraph. 21:12, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Probably not in the infobox. If it's reliably sourceable as common and consistent, then include it in the infobox field. Note that this means RS say it's commonly used. Cherry picking  it does not qualify, per WP:NEOLOGISM. If it does suit that sourcing requirement, I'd still probably argue against it, because it's a local colloquialism, thus trivia; if people outside this area do not refer to it this way, then the nickname is not of encyclopedic importance. Contrast "the Big Apple" for New York City, a nickname with which virtually all Americans and probably most native English speakers are familiar.  belongs in a city article's infobox (and maybe its lead). It's reasonably likely that some RS can be found saying that "the 'Burg" is a common nickname of St. Petersburg FL, but I'd bet good money they're mostly or entirely local, or that they say it's used by locals. PS: If it were used in the infobox here, it should be as sources most often give it, which nom suggests is "the 'Burg", not "the Burg". It wouldn't be capitalized with "The" in either case, per MOS:CAPS, even if a few sources capitalize it that way.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  05:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I would argue against, although has already hit all the cogent points in my argument. I believe the standard should be that it gets more than local usage before truly being a nickname.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No - If reliable sources confirm that St. Petersburg, Florida is actually nicknamed "The Burg", which I'm not doubting that is the case, I think inclusion in just the body of the article will suffice. A redirect from "The Burg" may be a viable option as well. Meatsgains (talk) 02:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope - I've seen nicknames sometimes in the lede or it has its own section but I've never seen a place nickname get included in the infobox so IMHO I don't believe we should start including it now, Mentioning the nickname somewhere in the article is fine IMHO. – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 00:07, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No as the others have already indicated, the name does not seem common enough among reliable sources that it deserves to be in the infobox. Mention it in the body by all means; to me, the logical place to mention it would be along with a discussion of why it is called the Burg, if such information is available and relevant. Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:38, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No. I grew up in the area and never heard that used - it's a decided WP:NEOLOGISM and doesn't belong anywhere near the infobox. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Timeline of St. Petersburg, Florida
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Crime
This section is both outdated (all "most/largest" data over five years old) and has a skew towards highlighting certain types of crimes in certain sections of the city, and not either overall crime and/or all of the city. As a longtime resident, I appreciate what is being said, but I also see the direction the editor was (perhaps unintentionally) headed in. StPeteRays (talk) 00:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)