Talk:St Andrews

Description
This article would cover all Fife-related articles such as places, famous people, museums, football and rugby clubs and churches to name a few. Examples would be: Kirkcaldy, Andrew Carnegie, Adam Smith, Dunfermline Abbey, Dunfermline Athletic, The Old Course and Kirkcaldy Museum and Art Gallery. This could also help support articles that really do need a lot of work while keeping general maintenance. Examples would be: Methil, Dunfermline, Cupar and a lot of the smaller towns such as Kennoway and Lower Largo. Please see the discussion at WikiProject_Council/Proposals. Kilnburn (talk) 16:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please reference the Scots names 'Anderston' and 'Sanct Androis' - as I have not been able to find reference to St Andrews with these names. I feel that they have been made up.

I found some references to St Andrews as Sanct Androis, but nothing with Anderston. So am deleting that name.

Is there some reason the name of the city is not spelled with a period indicating the abbreviation of 'Saint'? --Saforrest 22:32, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

Outside of North America, the rule is that when an abbreviation is a contraction (meaning it begins and ends with the same letters as the word it's abbreviating) then the full stop is omitted. -- Troyac 11.14 pm, 2 April 2005 (UTC+9.5)

Could someone get a new photo of the Classics building? That huge red splotch isn't there anymore. That photo was taken at a bad time (the middle of a construction project). It's been finished as of about a month ago. --||bass 16:28, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

The "huge red splotch" is a rather attractive ivy that has been unfortunatley removed by the builders. I will try and get a photo next time I am passing the Quad.

Can't help feeling there should be a bit more on golf. Not my personal expertise, but Stevelinton 22:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Andrew Melville Hall should not be considered as a notable building in the main St Andrews article, other buildings are far more deserving to take its place (e.g. Hamilton Hall, St Salvador’s Quadrangle, r&a clubhouse) rather than a students hall of residence. Any opinions? 15:00, 04 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait, why Hamilton? Is it just the R&A conection? After all - it was a student hall of residence, and if Melville isn't acceptable because it is one...seems contradictory to me! Scanna 22:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I should think Hamilton is notable because it is something of a landmark building in St Andrews. Similarly, Andrew Melville is architecturally interesting, though whether that means it warrants a mention is open to debate. It is not because they are halls of residence that makes them notable or non-notable. Rlfb 19:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Additional info
Anything about the municipal government? Local media? Who paves the roads?
 * Fife council; there's a student radio service called STAR FM, a local paper called the Citizen, and a student paper called the saint [they're mentioned in at least one other article, along with the shut-down Chiuauah [sic]]; and Fife council again. Scanna 22:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Weather and Climate
My first reaction to this new section was to delete it, but then realised that this is perhaps relevant to the page, but not in its current format. I've done some work to it, but it could be a lot better. For a good example, see the relevent section on Edinburgh's page. Rlfb 18:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Could someone please explain why the reference to 'haar' was removed? ("Being on the east coast of Scotland, it is often subject to the fog, or 'haar' which rolls off the North Sea and can linger for several days at a time.")

It is certainly still a feature of the town's weather and not a thing of the past. (Just try looking for the cathedral today!) --188.220.57.201 (talk) 14:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Scots Name
I think that the Scots name Sanct Androis is archaic; nobody would call it that now. On the Scots Wikipedia it is called Saunt Andras. However, I do think that it's interesting and could perhaps be kept like the obsolete Gaelic name. Scroggie (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Gaelic name isn't obsolete; it's used by Gaelic speakers...

82.108.205.6 (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Popes
The pope at the time of the founding of the university was Pope Gregory XII, not Benedict VIII as you list (His papacy was during the 11th Century) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.141.79 (talk) 15:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Gait
There is a sentence in the landmarks section that says that St Andrews was once bounded by 3 "gaits" the only surviving one being the West Port. I can't check the reference but the Scots word "gait" means street (now more often spelt "gate" in modern Scots) not English "gate". The word for gate is "port". This can be seen on the plaque on the pavement on Market St, marking the site of the old "Marketgait Port", ie "Market Street Gate". I don't want to change it when I can't check the reference (but see DSL third entry for Gate,n.). Also, it says that the West Port is the only surviving example "of its type", what is "its type"? Scroggie (talk) 18:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

the only surviving example left of a St Andrews gate entrance. my wording is misleading. i believe that is right and i will check the sources (have the books) "carefully" to make sure Kilnburn (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Any luck clearing this up? Can you quote the important paragraphs so we can work out what it means. I think we should remove it if we can't clear it up 'cause as it stands I feel it is inacurate. Scroggie (talk) 18:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Scores
"The Scores" are (is?) mentioned three times, but what does it mean? —Tamfang (talk) 07:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the name of a street &mdash; agreed, this should be explained. --Deskford (talk) 08:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Spellings

St Salvator, not St Salvador. The Pends, not Penns RoadCareworn (talk) 01:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Kilrymont
Hope I've got how to put a new heading in right, sorry if i haven't

Does anyone know when the town was formerly renamed from Kilrymont to St Andrews? i think the history section would benefit from this informatio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.66.127 (talk) 23:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

The Wikipedia entry for Bishop Mael Isu I (fl mid 10thC) shows his territorial designation as "Cennrigmonaid" so it needs to be significantly after that. Freuchie (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Well I would not start from here. The whole section about the name is nonsense. The bones supposedly of St Andrew were brought from Hexham by St Acca (who also introduced the Rule of St Benedict) around the year 732/3 - so the direct answer to your question is clearly, at least on one sense, some time after that date. But there is also the matter of what you mean by "the" name. The two names could continue to coexist for a long time as, in a sense, they do to this day.

By the way there is no reason to suppose that the area of St Andrews was ever called Mucros. This is simply the Pictish language name of Boarhills - some 2-3 miles away (and if you look at the coastline there it is easy to see how you could run against the rocks - whence the shipwreck legend). No one has commented on this since my post, so I am eliminating this sentenceFreuchie (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

The St Regulus who supposedly rescued the bones of St Andrew at Patras never made it to Scotland - which was entirely pagan above the Antonine wall until 495 at the earliest. This does leave us with the problem of the change of name from Cennrimonaid to Kilrimonaid (ie virgin moorland to a place with a church). So far as I am aware this was effected by St Cainneach/Kenneth of Aghaboe at the behest of Columba - probably shortly after 565. Freuchie (talk) 21:55, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Famous Golfers - Bobby Jones
Bobby Jones (1927 and 1930 British Amateur) - Brad Watson, Miami 71.196.11.183 (talk) 02:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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