Talk:St Davids Cathedral

Cathedral Life neutrality
This section is full of sweeping statements with no supporting citations. It would be fine for a page in a guidebook to the cathedral but is totally unsuitable for an encylopaedia. I have issues with most of the statements made and have put fact tags on some of them but the following are particularly problematical:

"The Cathedral is not just about a building – it is a community that fourteen hundred years later, David would recognise" Who says he would and how could you possibly know?

"That the choristers can be recruited from a community of some eighteen hundred people is remarkable; and that a competent group of people can form the Vicar’s Choral from such a small number is unheard of" Where's the evidence that it's unheard of - which choirs are you comparing it to and how big are their catchment areas?

"The St Davids Cathedral Festival runs through the Whitsun school holiday each year, and showcases some of the world’s best performers in one of the most stunning settings many will ever see." ''How do you know what other settings they have performed in and how stunning they were? Do you have any published quotations saying "this is the most stunning setting we've ever seen?''

"The principles and ideas of David are still real within the small valley he formed his community" Who says they are - has someone done a survey on this?

All statements made in wikipaedia need supporting evidence and should not be one person's opinion see WP:NPOV for guidance. This section needs to be rewritten or removed completely. Richerman (talk) 13:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Query about 1081, William The Conqueror
It says that in 1081 William visited to pray, is there a reference for this. It's interesting that, a) the bishop had been murdered by raiders the previous year (cf this article) and that b) Gruffydd ap Cynan started his bid to conquer Gwynedd here on route to what would be the Battle of Mynydd Carn. Interesting.

The present cathedral
"Within a century, the Nash West Front had become unstable, and rather gaudy looking" "Gaudy looking" is hardly a neutral term - what does it mean here and who said it was gaudy looking? This article really does need some references. Richerman (talk) 11:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Apostrophe
The town is called St Davids. So the cathedral is St Davids Cathedral. In fact, it's also dedicated to St Andrew so 'St David's Cathedral' is wrong on about four counts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.22.18 (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree completely – there is a general apostrophe muddle going on with St Davids and also St Davids Bishops Palace (which I'm currently reviewing) and it stretches way beyond Wikipedia. I'm going to mention the apostrophe variant on the page, as per St Davids. I wish this article had been guided by the St Davids Cathedral homepage. Libby norman (talk) 09:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree there is a muddle. If you google "St David's" most of the hits will come back as "St Davids" - so that is clearly the most commonly used form. There has been a long argument on Talk:St Davids about this point which is, to be honest, totally ridiculous. We have then ended up with the article being moved to St Davids but some people insist on having "or St David's" plastered all over it. Both articles should be consistent in using the commonly accepted form "St Davids" with one mention that it is also given as "St David's" and that should be the end of the matter. And in case anyone thinks I'm just pushing my own preferred form - I really don't care if it is done the other way round and the other article is renamed to "St David's" as long as we can then go with just one mention of the alternative in the text. The truth is that whatever form you go for someone will find a "more reliable" source to support their case for using the alternative. What's most important is that we are consistent and we get away from these silly battles over an apostrophe. Whichever form we use, anyone searching for "St Davids" or "St David's" will find the articles. Richerman ''   (talk) 10:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Almost cult-like
The phrase "almost cult-like" in reference to Saint David is particularly infelicitous since the cathedral is, as a matter of fact, the center of Daivid's cultus. I suggest is be re-worded. Rwflammang (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Removal of category
Re: Undid revision 764175512 by Johnsoniensis (talk) Anglo-catholic not mentioned in text. There is an entry in the infobox "High Church"; as High Church and Anglo-Catholic are more or less synonymous the category is actually relevant here.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:12, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I make the following points to in justify removing the article from Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in Wales:
 * Anglo-catholic is not precisely the same as high church Anglican, see High church. These are overlapping terms, but we should not use a statement of one as justification for classification as the other.
 * The "high church" claim is unsourced.
 * The cathedral is not included in Wikipedia's List of Anglo-Catholic churches
 * The cathedral's website does give any obvious indication of a high church or an Anglo-catholic orientation. For exaple, it does not use "Mass" as a name for Holy Communion or "Father" as a title for priests, which are common markers of high-church Anglican orientation. This makes the high church claim appear dubious as well as unsourced.
 * Anglican churchmanship can be a decisive issue, and as such it may lead to point-of-view editing.
 * For these reasons I will re-remove the category and also remove "Churchmanship: High church" from the infobox. Verbcatcher (talk) 03:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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