Talk:St Edmund Hall, Oxford

Date women were first admitted to the Hall
I have corrected the date women were first admitted to the Hall, incorrectly given as 1978. That was my own first year at the Hall, and I think I would have remembered if women were admitted the same year! It was the year after (October 1979) they were first admitted. DoctorMartin (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The cited source says "Since 1978 the Hall has admitted female students to membership, with the first women undergraduates matriculating in 1979". I have clarified the sentence in our article. DuncanHill (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, that makes sense - I was thinking of 'admitted' = 'matriculation' (i.e. their physical arrival at the Hall to begin studies). Whereas if 'admitted' means 'offered a place' (an equally legitimate meaning) that would indeed have been towards the end of 1978. DoctorMartin (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

St Edmund Hall Coat of Arms
do you have a reference to support changing cross patonce to cross fleury in the St Edmund Hall, Oxford and Edmund of Abingdon articles? According to the cross fleury article "In early armory, it is not consistently distinguished from the cross patonce." The Heraldry society has cross patonce for SEH (https://www.theheraldrysociety.com/articles/oxford-university-and-its-colleges/). TSventon (talk) 12:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Obvious mistake
From the article: "In the late 17th century, St Edmund Hall incurred the wrath of the Crown for fostering non-jurors, men who remained loyal to the Scottish House of Stuart and who refused to take the oath to the German House of Hanover, whom they regarded as having usurped the British throne."

As the last Stuart monarch, Queen Anne, died in 1714 - by any form of computation, considerably after the end of the 17th century - this assertion is incorrect. Urselius (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Urselius, the Non-Jurors did oppose William III of England in the late 17th century and George I of Great Britain after 1714, but the sentence is poorly written. It may be based on the history on the college website, which calls the hall the "nursery of two well-known Non-Jurors". I have improved the wording. TSventon (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Might the word 'Jacobite' be relevant and concise? Urselius (talk) 11:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Scottish House of Stuart → Jacobite succession.
 * Both John Kettlewell and Thomas Hearne (antiquarian) are described as non-jurors rather than Jacobites in their articles, Kettlewell apparently preaching passive obedience, so I don't think a link to Jacobitism is relevant. TSventon (talk) 12:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Peter Payne

 * Little is known of hi, after his time at St Edmund's but it is believed he died in Prague as a veteran Hussite.

This is just not true. Just the article about him tells a lot about him after he came to Prague, and the Czech version is even longer, because his later activity during the Hussite Revolution is quite known here. Could we just drop this sentence?

Ceplm (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Ceplm, I think the Peter Payne section is too long, so I have removed the final sentence. TSventon (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I thought should be done. Rather than talking nonsense it’s better to leave it to the separate article. Ceplm (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)