Talk:St Francis College Rochestown

Requested move 5 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Consensus that ENGVAR applies here sufficiently to action the move. (closed by non-admin page mover)

St. Francis College Rochestown → St Francis College Rochestown – See Manual of Style. The "St." form is preferred in American English, while the "St" form is used on the other side of the Atlantic (or, as that policy indicates, "Dr." and "Dr"). Most of those listed in Category:Girls' schools in the Republic of Ireland, Category:Boys' schools in the Republic of Ireland, etc. use the form "St X School". The form "St Francis College Rochestown" is used by the school authorities and the related newspaper article here. 2001:BB6:A93:FE58:9CE7:4466:26D7:E125 (talk) 00:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * "The form "St Francis College Rochestown" is used by the school authorities". Eh. Where exactly? The school's website content, website banners twitter icon/crest all seem to almost exclusively include the "dot". On what basis are we stating that the reverse is true? Guliolopez (talk) 00:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Happy to be persuaded otherwise, but the nominator has provided no evidence that the proposed title represents the common name. And requests to provide that evidence (as above) have gone unanswered. The suggestion that the school or its authorities favour the version "without the dot" is demonstrably not the case (given that the school's website, logo, and crest all include the full stop). And the suggestion that news and other sources favour the version "without the dot" is also inconclusive and inconsistent (for example the news report that the nominator offers, the school's name is mentioned 8 times. In 6 of those cases, yes, we find "St Francis College" (no "dot"). But in 2 we find "St. Francis College". If we are arguing for a move on the basis of ENGVAR or "consistency" or some other rationale, then I'm happy to discuss those reasons. But the reasons proposed ("it's the common name" or "it's the official name") are not supported arguments. Guliolopez (talk) 12:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is correct that in Britain, Ireland and the Commonwealth (except Canada) it is far more common to write St than St., so we generally use the former for consistency in these territories as it's only a stylistic difference which changes depending on the preference of the writer and the publication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. This isn't a matter of the recognisability of the name but purely its style. This college seems to sometimes favour the American style, but it's in Ireland so we use the Irish style. Andrewa (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


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