Talk:St Helens, Merseyside

/* Association Football */ Additions
Pilkington F.C. play at the same level of football and are, in fact, a better team than St Helens Town at the minute so I believe Pilkington F.C. should get a mention in this article. Additionally, Cheeky Bazzas F.C. are a popular team in St Helens getting near 100 fans on two different occasions, more than the average attendance of both Pilkington and St Helens Town.
 * Pilkingtons addition is still included while I find supporting sources which I know are out there, but unclear to what weight. St Helens Town have a clear competitive history, with the FA Vase
 * Cheeky Bazzas was removed as there is no clear notability. It requires multiple secondary sources, not fan pages or their own homepage or Facebook group etc. Koncorde (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Historical Confusion in section 'Formation' under History
One uncited sentence reads "Less well-known is the Windle connection to witches. In 1602, two women were sent to Lancaster for trial, while a decade later Isobel Roby was submitted to Sir Thomas Gerard, accused of upsetting the ship upon which Princess Anne of Denmark was arriving. She was finally executed at Lancaster, along with the Pendle and Salmesburg witches, on 20 August 1612." The article then links to the article on Queen Anne. Given that the eventual Queen Anne was not born until the 1665, either the dates here listed are incorrect, the article links to the wrong individual, or the entire story is inaccurate in some major way (or Isobel Roby was a far more powerful witch than she's being given credit for). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:4040:123E:B800:6410:30E:C17C:7681 (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. The correct Anne of Denmark isn't the Queen Anne. I will drag out the sourcing later. Koncorde (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Big gap at end of 'Cultural references' section needs removing
In my opinion, the big gap at the end of the 'Cultural references' section of the article should be removed as in my opinion it looks strange having such a big gap at the end of the section. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 21:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks as if this has been dealt with. Tacyarg (talk) 09:19, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I was looking at the wrong section. I think this is caused by the depth of the picture of Beecham. Tacyarg (talk) 09:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's the Punch cartoon. Flipping the sections around fixes the issue - although a bit of whitespace isn't really an issue. Koncorde (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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Requested move 31 March 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Clear consensus for speedy reversion of bold move. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

St Helens. → St Helens, Merseyside – This was the original name of the article, a user seemingly objecting to Merseyside being mentioned has moved it to this. The new name has an added full stop so it doesn't conform to normal standards. This is because the St Helens name is used for the disambiguation page, there being Multiple St Helens in the UK and World. This is like motivated by a Association of British Counties or Friends of Real Lancashire pov. Multiple redirects now exist as a result of this move, they all need to be undone. Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support I see no reason for a period to be added after Helens and if someone did this because they believe that this is the primary topic they need to make a move request since St. Hellens is currently a dabpage.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 04:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - the full stop is not part of the name. BilledMammal (talk) 06:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - For the reasons stated by the nominator. Dormskirk (talk) 07:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support move. This one looks obvious.  O.N.R.  (talk) 09:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 10:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. This particular St. Helens is not the primary topic for all the St. Helens in the world and so some disambiguation is needed, and whatever one might think about "(Merseyside)" a full stop is very definitely wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong support. Reverting an undiscussed move to an invalid title – no article title should end in a full stop – is surely a "non-controversial move". Therefore do we really need a 7-day discussion on this? Can't we just go ahead and do it? --  Dr Greg  talk 12:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It is the deletion of the redirects rather then the controversy that led me to doing it this way.Kitchen Knife (talk) 14:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This edit, by the editor who initiated the move to drop the "Merseyside" disambiguation, suggests that same editor may be intending to file a move request to drop the "Merseyside" disambiguation. Therefore this has been a useful exercise to demonstrate that there is no support for that. Dormskirk (talk) 14:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support no clear primary topic, its the most viewed (7,249) topics called "St Helens" especially when you include sub topics like the district and sports teams but gets more (42,416)[].  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)