Talk:St John's Church, Manchester

Images
I'm not good when it comes to image copyrights etc. Can we upload and use photo of the memorial shown here? How do we stand re: the one that is currently shown in External Links (I know it says (c) Manchester Libraries but have the feeling that the WMF doesn't care less if it was taken before 1923). - Sitush (talk) 12:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * On the geograph's picture page, just under the picture, is a link for using their images. This is the link for uploading the cross picture, you need to scroll down to a pink bar for the commons. I don't upload anything to the commons for reasons I won't go into but have been told its easy. I don't know about old pictures. J3Mrs (talk) 12:24, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Layout
you were right about the layout changes being better than my half-cocked initial attempt but I'm mystified by some of your recent sentences moves. I've moved one bit back but what has Turner's sketch got to do with "Origins"? He was sketching the structure of the church 60/70 years after it was built, which is why I put the statement in the Structure section. Am I missing something? - Sitush (talk) 20:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * That sentence about Turner really belonged in History, it's nothing to do with the structure, perhaps there's a better place but I can't see it at the minute. I'll think on it. J3Mrs (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry about peel. (blushing again) How about a subheading Graveyard in the structure section where they are usually mentioned to gather all the info about burials? J3Mrs (talk) 20:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'l have a think about the grouping but I really do disagree about the Turner thing and maybe we should ping some other people if they do not come here of their own accord. If you group all of the burial stuff together then you'll leave the marriage stuff orphaned. At least nowadays, most people associate churches with BMDs rather than regular worship, so it seemed better to group thoswe and other functions (the education etc) together. - Sitush (talk) 21:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * To be honest the Turner sentence is an orphan, as the article stands it doesn't fit anywhere. Moving the burials would leave marriages and Sunday Schools. J3Mrs (talk) 21:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's why I didn't mention the Turner thing when I first saw it. Arguably, it borders on trivia but I'm not too fussed either way about its inclusion. At worst (or best ...), it could go in External links or just maybe could be included as an image and let the caption tell the story. The schools thing is going to be expanded, eg: The Guardian, 5 May 1910, p. 9. It might even end up being expanded to the point of being yet another fork. - Sitush (talk) 01:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Citevar
We seem to be mixing citation styles now - WP:CITEVAR. I just carried on with things as Dr Blofeld had begun them, both here (via the fork) and at the Gardens article. - Sitush (talk) 15:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * No problem I'll revert it, I don't know how to add more than one page using the other way. J3Mrs (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Sometimes you'd have to restate the citation with an alternate |page but in this instance, with the point being such a small thing, I have an idea. Give me a couple of minutes. - Sitush (talk) 17:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing that I had to go on Sunday and only just got back. 18:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Roof collapse
There is no doubt that the roof collapsed in 1924: we have a source and there are photos of it online at Manchester Libraries. However, I'm blowed if I can find anything more than the cited source. I've tried searching the online archives of The Manchester Guardian, The Observer and The Times, as well as the numerous newspapers at British Newspapers Online. I can't believe that this was unreported, especially since it appears to have caused the church to close for two years, so I'm appealing for someone to do some digging themselves, perhaps including a check of the stuff that I've already attempted. Ta. - Sitush (talk) 16:19, 29 August 2014 (UTC)