Talk:St John's College, Oxford

Image of Canterbury Quad
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I find it hard to believe that Sir Oscar the Cat is the president.


 * Especially since he's dead (liver cancer; had to be put down). Greg carter 18:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * But it wouldn't be impossible: Grace the Cat was elected MCR president in the 1980s, though she had a human "acting president" to help. Myopic Bookworm 11:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

notorious how exactly?
"the notorious writers J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis " Daniel Barlow 14:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Undergraduate English, I'm afraid; they meant "famous". --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Famous alumni
Famous alumni have to be famous: if they are not notable enough to have a Wikipedia entry then they are not notable enough to be listed here. I'm sure Mr. Sanjeev Sanyal is a good chap (Indian banker and economist, former Rhodes Scholar, etc.): if he's important enough for an entry, then write the entry first, and link from here afterwards. Myopic Bookworm 11:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For those who wish to and are editing from machines within Oxford University, you should be able to access the ODNB from here by clicking the "Dictionaries, Encyclopædias and Reference Works" under All Subjects, then click "(Oxford) Dictionary of National Biography" and then the top link - "Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online (Direct access from Oxford)". You might wish to type "John's College, Oxford" in the 'search text of articles' box, only a few will be "so and so gave St John's College, Oxford a silver platter" and the like, the rest (with luck some hundreds) will be previous presidents, fellows, and students.--Alf melmac 19:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

UniverSTD
I was wondering if anyone else thinks that the allegations about St John's undergraduates and their sexual behaviour in this article should be included. Elmsters 13:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would say not. It's not well sourced (how would they get statistics on STD infection rates?), so doesn't provide any reliable information about the college. (This isn't a biography, but I'd say the third paragraph of WP:BLP is relevant here.) If the story had been picked up by signficiant other sources we could include something like "The People reported in February 2007...", but nobody seems to have taken much notice of the story. EALacey 14:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Oxford college crests: fair Use, replaceable, etc
Image:St johns oxford crest.png | Number 1 Image:St-John's College Oxford Coat Of Arms.svg | Number 2


 * I added #1 as used by St John's College, Oxford (on their website, in promotional material, etc) to Wikipedia in December 2011. I didn't think it was replaceable, so was covered by fair use.
 * On the 21st April, User:ChevronTango replaced it on the SJC page with a version of the crest they have created (#2). Similar crests have been created for the other colleges (see User:ChevronTango).
 * On 17th May, a third user reverted to crest #1, with the edit message "Request from St John's College Computing Officer to restore original crest"

From the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_University_of_Oxford it seems there are many in favour of ChevronTango's works being adopted. Personally, I was a little uncomfortable with ChevronTango's replacement. I would far prefer to see the "official" version on Wikipedia. I don't really know whether ChevronTango's crests are appropriate for Wikipedia pages. I don't really know what the right answer is here. -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 07:58, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to work with the Colleges to get these right. As it stands, the original image that I replaced for St Johns is actually incorrect, most egriguously in the use of stars for the estoilles. If St John's are unhappy about certain elements, for example the gradients, which I admit I took some liberties with, I would be happy to ammend my version (St Hugh's have already contacted me to this effect). As it stands, the advantage of my newer version is increased accuracy in many areas and its vector graphic nature means thats its valued by wikipedian policy far more than the previous PNG, on top of matching those for the other colleges. I agree that perhaps its not perfect, but I wouldn't have made it if I didn't think it has qualities greater than the one being discussed here. ChevronTango (talk) 19:36, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've tried to improve the image to be more inline with common usage. If anyone has preferances for colours or sizing let me know. I've improved the Estoilles and the ermine field so it should look better. ChevronTango (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I've moved this here as its more relevant and correct in this talk page. ChevronTango (talk) 14:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting information
Not sure that this particularly goes in the article, but some interesting information anyway. Was looking at the 1997 college notes and came across a few bits of information: -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 10:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * there were 376 undergraduates, of which 148 were women [NB: almost exactly the same percentage of undergraduates as today]
 * the Tommy White bar was referred to as the "all new spacious College bar"
 * the college employed 81 domestic staff, 39 in the estate yar and 34 administrative staff

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Warwickshire quarry development
An IP editor (or editors) has added the following paragraph to the lead twice, sourced to a student newspaper:

I have reverted this as it is a routine news report and Wikipedia is not a newspaper. St John's is a large landowner and will from time to time propose controversial developments but most of these will not be of lasting significance. Including this development in the article gives it undue weight. TSventon (talk) 12:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)