Talk:St Johnstone F.C.

Best-ever season
Don't think 98-99 was their best ever season. They also came third back in the early 70s, under Willie Ormond, when Henry Hall was playing, behind Celtic and Aberdeen and ahead of Rangers! PatGallacher 2005 July 9 10:04 (UTC)

Are Livingston not also unbeaten at home in European competition?

The Richard Thompson reference
The actual intro went on to say that St. Johnstone lives on mostly in the name of the football club "so inept that those who don't live in the area often think the full name is 'St. Johnstone-Nil'"

Notable Former Players
I propose trimming this list quite severely. What is genuinely notable about many of the players listed? Obviously this is a matter which comes down to individual opinion to some extent, but here is my proposal:

Keep
Anyone else? Grievous Angel 10:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Jimmy Benson
 * John Brogan (record goal scorer)
 * Alex Ferguson (now manager at arguably the biggest club in Britain if not the world; scored hat-trick at Ibrox)
 * Ally McCoist
 * Sandy McLaren (capped for Scotland)
 * Drew Rutherford (record number of appearances)
 * Sergei Baltacha (played at the highest level of the game i.e. won 47 full caps for the Soviet Union and made nearly 300 appearances for Dynamo Kiev)


 * In the List of [blank F.C.] players articles around Wikipedia, the criterion includes those who have made 100 or more appearances for the club and those who have made a significant impact on the club.

With that, the following should also be included:


 * Roddy Grant (goals haul a major bonus)
 * John Lambie
 * Alan Main (though he's about to become a current Saints player again)
 * Kevin McGowne
 * John McQuillan
 * John O'Neil
 * Allan Preston
 * Jim Weir
 * Paul Wright (goals haul a major bonus)
 * Nick Dasovic
 * Paul Cherry
 * Andy Rhodes
 * Danny Griffin
 * George O'Boyle (goals haul a major bonus)

- Dudesleeper · Talk 11:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

100 or more appearances could easily be reached in 2-3 seasons i.e. a fairly standard contract term. Agree with the significant impact part. Dominic Kinnear didn't even play for the first team, not even once. He doesn't warrant a mention in "Who's Who of St Johnstone 1948-1992" which lists every player who played at least one game. Just going through A to C in the aforementioned book gives (for more than 100 appearances): Derek Addison, Kenny Aird, Fred Aitken, Jim Argue, John Balavage, Doug Barron, Stuart Beedie, Jimmy Blyth, Andy Brannigan, Paddy Buckley, Alex Caldwell, Joe Carr, Willie Coburn, John Connolly, Gordon Cramond, Harry Curran I propose keeping: those playing a significant time at the club, genuinely well-known former players/managers etc who played for Saints, those who made a significant impact e.g. holding a record of some sort (goals, apps), or some other stated reason that makes them notable. Grievous Angel 10:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

To Do list
I've added a "to do" list after getting a few ideas from the York City F.C. article which gained featured article status. Please add any other ideas to it, or even better, work on the points already listed ;-). If anyone has a particular interest in working on any of the "to dos" leave a note here so others will know you are already covering that point.Grievous Angel 17:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm going to work on an article for the "Recreation Grounds" Grievous Angel 14:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Image-St Johnstone FC logo.jpg
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Club kit colours in the infobox
I've attempted to change the kit diagrams to match the current kit. If it can be improved any, please do so, I can't find the guide page to how it gets done. See the many photos on the official site for how the strips look in the "real world". Below is the code for how it was before (just in case it is needed in future):

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Clean-up
The following players were removed from the squad by an anonymous editor today, but their articles still need de-Saints-ified:


 * Kevin Cuthbert
 * Andy Lawrie
 * Allan McManus
 * Darren Wilcox
 * Jamie McCluskey
 * Daniel McBreen
 * Gordon O'Brien

- Dudesleeper / Talk  14:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Record defeat
For a long time the article has stated that Cowdenbeath inflicted Saints' record defeat, when actually it was Johnstone that conceded the twelve goals. -  Dudesleeper  talk  19:16, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Managers
I am currently working on a "Managers of St Johnstone F.C." article. My main source is a series of articles from the official club match programmes of the late 1980s which takes it up to Alex Totten. This series of articles starts with David Taylor as the first manager which contradicts the current section on here which the new seperate article will greatly expand on. According to the current article, there was two managers before David Taylor, so which is correct? What was the actual status of Peter Grant and Jimmy Buchan? --Grievous Angel (talk) 06:34, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Founding father
Interesting article on Scotland's People which may be useful in editing the early history of the club. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 20 January 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a consensus that the proposed title is more common in reliable sources and in line with what the MoS says for British English. The sole oppose makes a valid point – consistency – but ultimately in this case that is outweighed by the support arguments. Jenks24 (talk) 12:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

– to remove the dot from "St." per wikipedia naming convention and per the club's own website http://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * St. Johnstone F.C. → St Johnstone F.C.
 * List of St. Johnstone F.C. players → List of St Johnstone F.C. players
 * St. Johnstone F.C. in European football → St Johnstone F.C. in European football
 * List of St. Johnstone F.C. seasons → List of St Johnstone F.C. seasons
 * 2009–10 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2009–10 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * 2010–11 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2010–11 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * 2011–12 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2011–12 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * 2012–13 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2012–13 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * 2013–14 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2013–14 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * 2014–15 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2014–15 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * 2015–16 St. Johnstone F.C. season → 2015–16 St Johnstone F.C. season
 * Note If these pages are moved, then Category:St. Johnstone F.C. and its subcats should be speedily renamed per WP:C2D. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:32, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME.—  Film Fan  20:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - per WP:COMMONAME. Can't see many instances of the full stop being used and it certainly isn't used by the club on their official website. Also support per MoS which outlines clearly the conventions around British use of full stops in abbreviations. Fenix down (talk) 08:59, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support as this seems to be the most widely-used spelling. GiantSnowman 18:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME, and all the same reasons I support St. Mirren F.C. move. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Opposed per WP:Manual of Style on grounds of consistency as per discussion on Talk:St. Mirren F.C. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm not sure I understand what you are saying Stevie. As I observed above, the MoS is actually quite clear about convention in British English of not using a full stop when the abbrevation finishes with the last letter of the full word. Also, I am not sure I understand how the St Mirren conversation is relevant at this stage as that is still an open RM. Fenix down (talk) 09:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * All I'm saying, the same as the MoS, is that we should be consistent so if we remove one full stop, then we should remove them all. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:37, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Vandalism
I have been loathe to do this but the persistent vandalism by user 81.154.241.99 on this page suggests a form of temporary protection for the page is required. CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In addition, this is a WP:RPP case I've had before. Mostly, an administrator would decline your request citing there isn't enough activity to justify the protection. A better reason for protection would be if multiple IPs were vandalizing the page, preferably at least 3 IPs or new users. I am not sure how far back the admins look to determine this, though. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response jd22292. I appreciate the comments you have made here and on my own page. I will refrain from making any further reverts until this is resolved. Hopefully your intervention will be successful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoatbridgeChancellor (talk • contribs) 22:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling this IP is removing some players as the players he's removing are on loan to other teams. Then again, not all of the players they are removing are even on loan right now. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * It seems the IP has stopped for now. I've posted warnings on their Talk page as it happened, and it seems that might have convinced them. I will keep this page on my Watchlist for a few more days to see what happens. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)


 * And now I'm done here. As it turns out, the IP who was removing players was correct in doing so. However, their removal was poor as they also did not notice a hidden table for players out on loan. I have taken the liberty of moving those players to the correct table. It's easier for all of us if they are not to be moved from this table until they return from loan. Requesting WP:CLOSE on this discussion. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 04:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to come back to this jd22292 but these players have returned from any loan deals that took place in season 2016-17 and have returned to the squad as of 1 July, the beginning of season 2017-18. I have not reverted your edit as I gave you my word I would not edit war on this page. CoatbridgeChancellor

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