Talk:St Kilda, South Australia

Comment
Good Article, well done. Auroranorth 14:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC) Very nice article, congratulations. ROxBo (talk) 03:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

GA Pass
This article has been reviewed as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Epbr123 17:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on St Kilda, South Australia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060920083614/http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/coasts/ads/location.html to http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/coasts/ads/location.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 12:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

History expansion
The history section starts that the suburb was originally three islands, and moves on to white fishermen. Were these islands or the nearby land used by Kaurna people? I have tagged the section as needing expansion. It might only need a sentence or two. --Scott Davis Talk 08:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - yes, I started to do a bit of work on it earlier but then got called away and had to go out. I have a few things lined up to flesh it out a bit, hopefully tomorrow. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I don't even know where to look for information, so I look forward to seeing what you have found when you get time to add it. --Scott Davis Talk 13:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, well as you can see, I've done quite a lot of shuffling, and copying over of relevant Kaurna history of the general area, and quite a lot of checking and updating of facts re the environment, but I only started looking at the settlement history late in the day, and haven't been able to add much to that. Not having access to the source, the 2nd para of "After European settlement" looks contradictory, but I haven't found a good source that confirms the proclamation of the town. Did it become part of Munno Para before it was proclaimed as a town? The Manning source doesn't provide clarity, and although a Trove search returns quite a lot of hits on St Kilda Beach, flooding, people drowning, etc., I have run out of time and oomph to sift through these for a really useful one. And I really need to move on, as I have so many other things on my list and hadn't really intended to spend quite so long on the Port River estuary and associated areas! Sometimes it takes the longest time to dig up the fiddliest details on the tiniest places... Perhaps Salisbury Council would be able to help? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . You have improved the article, thank you. I think we need to confirm that St Kilda was part of the District Council of Munno Para West since the cadastral map of the Hundred of Munno Para seems to stop at what we now know as (Old) Port Wakefield Road, with the area west of it in the Hundred of Port Adelaide, and early district councils tended to follow hundred boundaries. The settlement is shown out of hundreds in commons:File:Hundred of Port Adelaide, 1876 (23489956140).jpg to the west of the surveyed sections. --Scott Davis Talk 12:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, yes, I see, - and the Govt Gazette proclamation (p.332) "...and on the west by the centre of the road which, commencing at the Para River between sections 7568, Hundred, of Port Adelaide, and 7569, Hundred of Munno Para, runs thence southerly to the Dry Creek:" - which I assume is that road? But now I have just found a new link for Susan Marsden's History of South Australian Councils to 1936, and see that it says there: "The entry in the Civic record... 1921-1923 notes the Council’s formation in 1854 and its inclusion of the townships of Virginia, Smithfield, Penfield, Angle Vale, Salisbury North, Gawler Blocks, and St Kilda. The St Kilda and Virginia West Wards were added to the District in 1886." - although that still doesn't tell us about its proclamation as a town. I'll see what I can add to make the DCMPW clearer in the meantime. I'm sure that you are more familiar with the history and those early sources than I am though - I haven't had much experience in studying those old maps (apart from the bit I did around Light and early colonisation plans). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I can do the map stuff if you can find the history stuff. Thank you! Yes, that road is the one now called Old Port Wakefield Road through the middle of Virginia. It looks like maybe the area west of Port Wakefield Road between the Little Para and Para/Gawler Rivers (which includes St Kilda, Buckland Park and possibly parts of Waterloo Corner and Virginia) was unincorporated (not in any district council) until 1886 when Munno Para West was expanded. I am suspicious of "most" in "... 1933 along with most of the Munno Para West area." which is cited to an offline source. It's possible I am suffering from recentism, and the current City of Salisbury boundary has retracted south over the years since that time (west of the City of Elizabeth). City of Munno Para is fairly light on detail with the same reference. --Scott Davis Talk 04:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll come back to this but probably intermittently. I see that the Taylor offline source has a new edition, and both are in the SLSA catalogue. I might one day organise retrieval of the pamphlet ahead of time and then get in there to look at it, or alternatively formulate a specific question that could be answered by a librarian via email, but can't say when at this point. I'm not familiar with the area and don't know much about council histories and boundaries, so I have to rely on google in the first instance, and most of what I find is new to me. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:36, 28 November 2020 (UTC)