Talk:St Kilda Football Club/Archive 1

Requested move
St Kilda Football Club → St. Kilda Football Club – Correct name of the football club, both according to grammar and the club's past and present logos. – Quoth 02:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support for the above reasons. – Quoth 02:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * Moved. Teke ( talk ) 03:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

"Not to be forgotten"
Is this area necessary? It seems as though it could just be a list of recent players that some editors liked. For example: Matthew Lappin and Stephen Sziller? I liked those players, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they really should rate a mention... -Liam 05:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

2007 playing list
Removed Allan Murray and Mark McGough as they were delisted in early October.

Motto
What does the team's motto "Fortius quo fidelius" mean? Is it mentioned on the article? --Nitchell 07:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a Latin phrase meaning "strength through loyalty" and is mentioned in the article under History. — Diverman 12:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:StKilda80s.png
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Injury list under the 2007 Season heading
To me, this is unnecessary as the list will continue to grow over the season and in St Kilda's case it will be rather long. If it is imperative to have the injury list on this page, then perhaps we should make a section for the current squads injury list. --Thexeber 14:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

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Ian Stewart
Was looking through the list of St Kilda Brownlow winners and noticed that only two of Ian Stewart's three medals are listed. Does this list only count outright (i.e. not tied) Brownlows or should it be fixed up? --Marshmellis (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * His third Brownlow was when he was at Richmond so is not relevant to this page. Crickettragic (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, didn't realise that, thanks. :S --Marshmellis (talk) 10:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Major cleanup needed!
The article looks like a dogs breakfast at the moment. References to "our club". Infobox saying "St Hilda Football Club". A giant flag in the middle of one section. Numerous ugly html tables, un-wikified paragraphs. All the 2008 results when there is a perfectly good St Kilda Football Club Season 2008 article. And I'm fairly sure that although fans would be proud of winning the "AFL Highest finishing team based in the State of Victoria at the end of the finals series (1990 – present)" three times, it is a pretty long name for a section heading and is original research in any case. I know I should "just fix it", but since I'm not familiar with the content, that would involve me reverting dozens of edits spreading back over at least a month, some of which may be legit, so I thought it would better left to someone who knows both the subject AND Wikipedia's manual of style! -- Chuq (talk) 06:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've made a few clean ups, tried to group the history together and keep it in chronological order. I'm really not sure that this main Saints article needs to present EVERY single finals game result.  Maybe they should be moved to St Kilda Football Club finals series results or similar.  Once the year by year finals series tables go (and by all means mention finals appearances or lack there of in the text for each era), then it will become clearer where there are gaps and where it's overly detailed.  Probably needs a bit about the turnover of coaches and there should be more on the 1966 game and team (could list the whole team from that game, goalscorers etc  that would be considered appropriate). The-Pope (talk) 15:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

BrianBeahr's edits
Can somone who knows the process for doing so please take appropriate action regarding Brian Beahr's constant dispruptive and poor quality edits. He or she is ruining this article and seems to be intentionally seeking to take control of it. I'm getting fed up with this nonsense. Afterwriting (talk) 12:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This person is continuing to lower the standard of this article. Not only do his (?) edits frequently have grammatical, spelling, punctuation and style problems but he is also continuing to revert other edits without any apparent valid reason - only, it seems, because he is assuming 'ownership' of the article.  Afterwriting (talk) 06:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * He has just received another ban, this time for two weeks. Keep an eye out for IPs edits though as he had some active last time he was banned. Jevansen (formerly Crickettragic) (talk) 09:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

He's already up on this old trick again. Afterwriting (talk) 04:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think BrianBeahr had a son and named him Dru. Jevansen (talk) 01:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Dont vadalize the article - final warning. BrianBeahr (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Where the fixture BrianBeahr (talk) 12:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The fixture for 2010 is required information. BrianBeahr (talk) 12:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No it's not, it's not encyclopaedic - and further it's a DMCA violation (the AFL own the copyright to the fixture). That's why you were blocked in the finish, if you see this FWIW. In effect, you were the vandal. My two cents and we move on. AFL-Cool  07:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

"Least successful" club?
I'm not satisfied with the current description of St Kilda as having been the "least successful" of the original eight VFL clubs. The reasoning given for this is the record number of wooden spoons. But it seems to me that for any team to be described as the least successful then it is more complex a matter than just this statistic alone, such as: number of finals and grand finals, average ladder position, Brownlows, memberships, etc. Any thoughts on this? Afterwriting (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In my thinking they are the least successful side because they've only won 1 flag. If they'd won 10 flags plus 26 spoons theyy wouldn't be considered as unsuccessful.  Their all-time win/loss record is also the worst in the league.  Brownlows, memberships etc are irrelevant in relation to team success. The-Pope (talk)


 * Following on from what the Pope said above, only the Brisbane Bears and Uni have worse win/loss records while they easily hold the record for most losses (approx 1300). Feel free to reword it but one way or another I think the opening paragraphs should mention how the side has struggled historically. Cheers. Jevansen (formerly Crickettragic) (talk) 09:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a wooden spoon in the AFL.
 * Oh yes there is! AFL-Cool  07:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)