Talk:St Llibio's Church, Llanllibio/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Malleus Fatuorum (talk · contribs) 21:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * "... a memorial stone is the most substantial surviving mark of the church's location" implies that there are others, less substantial. Yet the history section appears to say otherwise: "no substantial traces of it now remain".
 * Reworded, quoting from the source to avoid ambiguity.


 * What is the site now?
 * Goodness knows; looks like some field near a house in the photo, and the satellite photo suggests it's next to a farm... The sources don't say, alas.


 * History
 * "St Llibio's Church was the church for Llanllibio in Anglesey, north Wales". Can we not do anything about that "Church ... church"? And shouldn't it be "North Wales"?
 * "church... church..." not sure how to avoid that, short of "St Llibio's was the church for Llanllibio", which feels a bit informal for first usage ("St Llibio's what?"). As for north/North, we've had this discussion before and it looks like we agreed to differ on it!


 * ... a Welsh form of land tenure where the inhabitants ...". The concept of a tir cyfrif township wasn't a place, therefore "where" isn't the right word.
 * is "in which" any better?


 * " ... Llanllibio effectively disappeared during the Middle Ages". What does "effectively" mean here?
 * Aargh, that's the one book I don't have at home or scanned in for easy reference; will have to check precisely what Carr was saying. My recollection is that the name of the place continues but there's nobody living there. Would a link to Abandoned village be useful? I've reworded for now anyway.


 * "Llibio himself is recorded as having founded the first church on the site", So was there a second or third church?
 * Very probably; it's highly unlikely that any structure from the 6th century lasted as long as 1776... (grin)  I can't say for certain, reading the sources I've found so far - nobody even describes the ruined structure, let alone its date. Reworded to "a church". BencherliteTalk 01:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * My final observation is that the lead needs to be expanded to say just a little about why the community declined and the church was consequently closed. Malleus Fatuorum 01:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Expanded with a long sentence and a few stray words... BencherliteTalk 02:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)